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From: Feng Tang <feng.tang@intel.com>
To: Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>
Cc: "Sang, Oliver" <oliver.sang@intel.com>,
	Jay Patel <jaypatel@linux.ibm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC PATCH v2]mm/slub: Optimize slub memory usage
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 22:35:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZL6MQXOaOHTvdGti@feng-clx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAB=+i9S6Ykp90+4N1kCE=hiTJTE4wzJDi8k5pBjjO_3sf0aeqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:05:17PM +0800, Hyeonggon Yoo wrote:
> > > > let me introduce our test process.
> > > >
> > > > we make sure the tests upon commit and its parent have exact same environment
> > > > except the kernel difference, and we also make sure the config to build the
> > > > commit and its parent are identical.
> > > >
> > > > we run tests for one commit at least 6 times to make sure the data is stable.
> > > >
> > > > such like for this case, we rebuild the commit and its parent's kernel, the
> > > > config is attached FYI.
> > >
> > > Hello Oliver,
> > >
> > > Thank you for confirming the testing environment is totally fine.
> > > and I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend that your tests were bad.
> > >
> > > It was more like  "oh, the data totally doesn't make sense to me"
> > > and I blamed the tests rather than my poor understanding of the data ;)
> > >
> > > Anyway,
> > > as the data shows a repeatable regression,
> > > let's think more about the possible scenario:
> > >
> > > I can't stop thinking that the patch must've affected the system's
> > > reclamation behavior in some way.
> > > (I think more active anon pages with a similar number total of anon
> > > pages implies the kernel scanned more pages)
> > >
> > > It might be because kswapd was more frequently woken up (possible if
> > > skbs were allocated with GFP_ATOMIC)
> > > But the data provided is not enough to support this argument.
> > >
> > > >  2.43 ± 7% +4.5 6.90 ± 11% perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.get_partial_node
> > > >  3.23 ±  5%      +4.5        7.77 ±  9%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.___slab_alloc
> > > >  7.51 ±  2%      +4.6       12.11 ±  5%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.kmalloc_reserve
> > > > 6.94 ±  2%      +4.7       11.62 ±  6%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.__kmalloc_node_track_caller
> > > > 6.46 ±  2%      +4.8       11.22 ±  6%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.__kmem_cache_alloc_node
> > > >  8.48 ±  4%      +7.9       16.42 ±  8%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp._raw_spin_lock_irqsave
> > > >  6.12 ±  6%      +8.6       14.74 ±  9%  perf-profile.children.cycles-pp.native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath
> > >
> > > And this increased cycles in the SLUB slowpath implies that the actual
> > > number of objects available in
> > > the per cpu partial list has been decreased, possibly because of
> > > inaccuracy in the heuristic?
> > > (cuz the assumption that slabs cached per are half-filled, and that
> > > slabs' order is s->oo)
> >
> > From the patch:
> >
> >  static unsigned int slub_max_order =
> > -       IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SLUB_TINY) ? 1 : PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER;
> > +       IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SLUB_TINY) ? 1 : 2;
> >
> > Could this be related? that it reduces the order for some slab cache,
> > so each per-cpu slab will has less objects, which makes the contention
> > for per-node spinlock 'list_lock' more severe when the slab allocation
> > is under pressure from many concurrent threads.
> 
> hackbench uses skbuff_head_cache intensively. So we need to check if
> skbuff_head_cache's
> order was increased or decreased. On my desktop skbuff_head_cache's
> order is 1 and I roughly
> guessed it was increased, (but it's still worth checking in the testing env)
> 
> But decreased slab order does not necessarily mean decreased number
> of cached objects per CPU, because when oo_order(s->oo) is smaller,
> then it caches
> more slabs into the per cpu slab list.
> 
> I think more problematic situation is when oo_order(s->oo) is higher,
> because the heuristic
> in SLUB assumes that each slab has order of oo_order(s->oo) and it's
> half-filled. if it allocates
> slabs with order lower than oo_order(s->oo), the number of cached
> objects per CPU
> decreases drastically due to the inaccurate assumption.
> 
> So yeah, decreased number of cached objects per CPU could be the cause
> of the regression due to the heuristic.
> 
> And I have another theory: it allocated high order slabs from remote node
> even if there are slabs with lower order in the local node.
> 
> ofc we need further experiment, but I think both improving the
> accuracy of heuristic and
> avoiding allocating high order slabs from remote nodes would make SLUB
> more robust.
 
I run the reproduce command in a local 2-socket box:

"/usr/bin/hackbench" "-g" "128" "-f" "20" "--process" "-l" "30000" "-s" "100"

And found 2 kmem_cache has been boost: 'kmalloc-cg-512' and
'skbuff_head_cache'. Only order of 'kmalloc-cg-512' was reduced
from 3 to 2 with the patch, while its 'cpu_partial_slabs' was bumped
from 2 to 4. The setting of 'skbuff_head_cache' was kept unchanged.

And this compiled with the perf-profile info from 0Day's report, that the
'list_lock' contention is increased with the patch: 

    13.71%    13.70%  [kernel.kallsyms]         [k] native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath                            -      -            
5.80% native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath;_raw_spin_lock_irqsave;__unfreeze_partials;skb_release_data;consume_skb;unix_stream_read_generic;unix_stream_recvmsg;sock_recvmsg;sock_read_iter;vfs_read;ksys_read;do_syscall_64;entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe;__libc_read
5.56% native_queued_spin_lock_slowpath;_raw_spin_lock_irqsave;get_partial_node.part.0;___slab_alloc.constprop.0;__kmem_cache_alloc_node;__kmalloc_node_track_caller;kmalloc_reserve;__alloc_skb;alloc_skb_with_frags;sock_alloc_send_pskb;unix_stream_sendmsg;sock_write_iter;vfs_write;ksys_write;do_syscall_64;entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe;__libc_write

Also I tried to restore the slub_max_order to 3, and the regression was
gone.

 static unsigned int slub_max_order =
-	IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SLUB_TINY) ? 1 : 2;
+	IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_SLUB_TINY) ? 1 : 3;
 static unsigned int slub_min_objects;

Thanks,
Feng

> > I don't have direct data to backup it, and I can try some experiment.
> 
> Thank you for taking time for experiment!
> 
> Thanks,
> Hyeonggon
> 
> > > > then retest on this test machine:
> > > > 128 threads 2 sockets Intel(R) Xeon(R) Gold 6338 CPU @ 2.00GHz (Ice Lake) with 256G memory


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-24 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-28  9:57 Jay Patel
2023-07-03  0:13 ` David Rientjes
2023-07-03  8:39   ` Jay Patel
2023-07-09 14:42   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-12 13:06 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-07-20 10:30   ` Jay Patel
2023-07-17 13:41 ` kernel test robot
2023-07-18  6:43   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-20  3:00     ` Oliver Sang
2023-07-20 12:59       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-20 13:46         ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-20 14:15           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-24  2:39             ` Oliver Sang
2023-07-31  9:49               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-20 13:49         ` Feng Tang
2023-07-20 15:05           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-21 14:50             ` Binder Makin
2023-07-21 15:39               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-21 18:31                 ` Binder Makin
2023-07-24 14:35             ` Feng Tang [this message]
2023-07-25  3:13               ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-07-25  9:12                 ` Feng Tang
2023-08-29  8:30                   ` Feng Tang
2023-07-26 10:06                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-08-10 10:38                   ` Jay Patel

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