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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>
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	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed mappings by default
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:36:47 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZEa+L5ivNDhCmgj4@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd488979-d257-42b9-937f-470cc3c57f5e@lucifer.local>

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 03:29:57PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 10:39:25AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 01:38:49PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> >
> > > I was being fairly conservative in that list, though we certainly need to
> > > set the flag for /proc/$pid/mem and ptrace to avoid breaking this
> > > functionality (I observed breakpoints breaking without it which obviously
> > > is a no go :). I'm not sure if there's a more general way we could check
> > > for this though?
> >
> > More broadly we should make sure these usages of GUP safe somehow so
> > that it can reliably write to those types of pages without breaking
> > the current FS contract..
> >
> > I forget exactly, but IIRC, don't you have to hold some kind of page
> > spinlock while writing to the page memory?
> >
> 
> I think perhaps you're thinking of the mm->mmap_lock? Which will be held
> for the FOLL_GET cases and simply prevent the VMA from disappearing below
> us but not do much else.

No not mmap_lock, I want to say there is a per-page lock that
interacts with the write protect, or at worst this needs to use the
page table spinlocks.

> I wonder whether we should do this check purely for FOLL_PIN to be honest?
> As this indicates medium to long-term access without mmap_lock held. This
> would exclude the /proc/$pid/mem and ptrace paths which use gup_remote().

Everything is buggy. FOLL_PIN is part of a someday solution to solve
it.

> That and a very specific use of uprobes are the only places that use
> FOLL_GET in this instance and each of them are careful in any case to
> handle setting the dirty page flag.

That is actually the bug :) Broadly the bug is to make a page dirty
without holding the right locks to actually dirty it.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-24 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-24  7:43 Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24  9:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-24 10:17   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 12:28     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 12:38       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-24 13:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 12:38       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 13:39         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 14:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 17:36             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-04-24 18:22               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 18:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 19:18                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 22:53                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 23:03                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 23:17                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-24 23:26                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-24 23:30                             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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