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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] mm/gup: disallow GUP writing to file-backed mappings by default
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 20:01:11 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZE2ht9AGx321j0+s@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZEybNZ7Rev+XM4GU@mit.edu>

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 12:21:09AM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:

> In any case, the file system maintainers' position (mine and I doubt
> Dave Chinner's position has changed) is that if you write to
> file-backed mappings via GUP/RDMA/process_vm_writev, and it causes
> silent data corruption, you get to keep both pieces, and don't go
> looking for us for anything other than sympathy...

This alone is enough reason to block it. I'm tired of this round and
round and I think we should just say enough, the mm will work to
enforce this view point. Files can only be written through PTEs.

If this upsets people they can work on fixing it, but at least we
don't have these kernel problems and inconsistencies to deal with.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-29 23:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-27 23:42 Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28  2:06 ` John Hubbard
2023-04-28  4:21 ` Mika Penttilä
2023-04-28 11:51 ` Jan Kara
2023-04-28 11:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 13:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 14:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 14:35   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 15:08     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 15:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 15:33         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 15:34           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 15:43             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 16:09               ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-04-28 16:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 16:22                   ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-04-28 16:39                     ` Peter Xu
2023-04-28 16:51                       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 16:56                         ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-04-28 17:01                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 17:02                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 17:31                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 17:42                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 17:49                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 23:43                             ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2023-05-02  8:00                               ` Jan Kara
2023-05-02  8:39                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-28 17:01                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 17:05                           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 17:13                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 17:29                               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 18:26                                 ` John Hubbard
2023-04-28 15:56             ` Peter Xu
2023-04-28 16:02               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 17:33               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 18:26                 ` John Hubbard
2023-04-28 15:27       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 15:41         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 18:25     ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-04-28 18:50       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-29  4:21         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-04-29 23:01           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2023-04-29 23:09             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-01  7:27             ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-01 12:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-28 14:55   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 15:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 15:15       ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-28 15:27         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 15:24       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 15:33         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-28 15:50           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-04-28 16:00             ` David Hildenbrand

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