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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mike.kravetz@oracle.com, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	rientjes@google.com, souravpanda@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: hugetlb_vmemmap: provide stronger vmemmap allocation guarantees
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 22:18:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZDcSG2t3/sVuZc67@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230412131302.cf42a7f4b710db8c18b7b676@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed 12-04-23 13:13:02, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Lots of questions (ie, missing information!)
> 
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 19:59:39 +0000 Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com> wrote:
> 
> > HugeTLB pages have a struct page optimizations where struct pages for tail
> > pages are freed. However, when HugeTLB pages are destroyed, the memory for
> > struct pages (vmemmap) need to be allocated again.
> > 
> > Currently, __GFP_NORETRY flag is used to allocate the memory for vmemmap,
> > but given that this flag makes very little effort to actually reclaim
> > memory the returning of huge pages back to the system can be problem.
> 
> Are there any reports of this happening in the real world?
> 
> > Lets
> > use __GFP_RETRY_MAYFAIL instead. This flag is also performs graceful
> > reclaim without causing ooms, but at least it may perform a few retries,
> > and will fail only when there is genuinely little amount of unused memory
> > in the system.
> 
> If so, does this change help?
> 
> If the allocation attempt fails, what are the consequences?
> 
> What are the potential downsides to this change?  Why did we choose
> __GFP_NORETRY in the first place?
> 
> What happens if we try harder (eg, GFP_KERNEL)?

Mike was generous enough to make me remember
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/YCafit5ruRJ+SL8I@dhcp22.suse.cz/.
GFP_KERNEL wouldn't make much difference becauset this is
__GFP_THISNODE. But I do agree that the changelog should go into more
details about why do we want to try harder now. I can imagine that
shrinking hugetlb pool by a large amount of hugetlb pages might become a
problem but is this really happening or is this a theoretical concern?

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-12 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-12 19:59 Pasha Tatashin
2023-04-12 20:13 ` Andrew Morton
2023-04-12 20:18   ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2023-04-13 15:05     ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-04-13 15:25       ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-13 17:11         ` Pasha Tatashin
2023-04-13 18:12           ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-15  0:47             ` David Rientjes
2023-04-17  8:33               ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-17 18:51                 ` Mike Kravetz
2023-04-13 14:59   ` Pasha Tatashin

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