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Wong" , lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, xfs , linux-ext4 , linux-btrfs , "Martin K. Petersen" , linux-mm@kvack.org Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF TOPIC] online repair of filesystems: what next? Message-ID: References: <20230418044641.GD360881@frogsfrogsfrogs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Stat-Signature: sxjrbow6mi9tx7n3a66i3eer8e749qbi X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1B28A1C0010 X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-HE-Tag: 1681875273-328589 X-HE-Meta: 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 WKN/Mkog 70kCymycneFP7c+nXc4uYzZzk1DASaoymHG2Ke8EnYasN35p395QQ3cpAnLYy65auTNzDiiM/28b1d6TPkhO+ThB+LuFMlOA7FopxoVixtoPlBg4gVZkVEws/HYOPjqsasZGVv+awkzyzJtauC8DApF/+nybjKHSUwIAH5GONIKgnXO9dX3FodC5xmJNWm/kZdYndSSDhExqiT+xpnwDxI3wa1Jnlg6sIqV9IrgxvkpABsFU4706WgHL8NIPuohPqjmqg X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 10:46:32AM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 7:46 AM Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > TBH, most of my fs complaints these days are managerial problems (Are we > > spending too much time on LTS? How on earth do we prioritize projects > > with all these drive by bots?? Why can't we support large engineering > > efforts better???) than technical. > > I penciled one session for "FS stable backporting (and other LTS woes)". > I made it a cross FS/IO session so we can have this session in the big room > and you are welcome to pull this discussion to any direction you want. Would this make sense to include the MM folks as well? Certainly MM has made the same choice as XFS ("No automatic backports, we will cc: stable on patches that make sense").