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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/13] fold per-CPU vmstats remotely
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:28 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZD/XoBTqJBL2G+Dk@tpad> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZD/Qq9v0EDxUn7HW@tpad>

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 08:29:47AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 08:14:09AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > This was tried before:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220127173037.318440631@fedora.localdomain/
> > 
> > My conclusion from that discussion (and work) is that a special system
> > call:
> > 
> > 1) Does not allow the benefits to be widely applied (only modified
> > applications will benefit). Is not portable across different operating systems. 
> > 
> > Removing the vmstat_work interruption is a benefit for HPC workloads, 
> > for example (in fact, it is a benefit for any kind of application, 
> > since the interruption causes cache misses).
> > 
> > 2) Increases the system call cost for applications which would use
> > the interface.
> > 
> > So avoiding the vmstat_update update interruption, without userspace 
> > knowledge and modifications, is a better than solution than a modified
> > userspace.
> 
> Another important point is this: if an application dirties
> its own per-CPU vmstat cache, while performing a system call,

Or while handling a VM-exit from a vCPU.

This are, in my mind, sufficient reasons to discard the "flush per-cpu
caches" idea. This is also why i chose to abandon the prctrl interface
patchset.

> and a vmstat sync event is triggered on a different CPU, you'd have to:
> 
> 1) Wait for that CPU to return to userspace and sync its stats
> (unfeasible).
> 
> 2) Queue work to execute on that CPU (undesirable, as that causes
> an interruption).
> 
> 3) Remotely sync the vmstat for that CPU.




  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-19 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-20 18:03 Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 01/13] vmstat: allow_direct_reclaim should use zone_page_state_snapshot Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:21   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 18:32     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-22 10:03       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 02/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: ARM64: switch this_cpu_cmpxchg to locked, add _local function Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 03/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: loongarch: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 04/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: S390: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 05/13] this_cpu_cmpxchg: x86: " Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 06/13] add this_cpu_cmpxchg_local and asm-generic definitions Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 07/13] convert this_cpu_cmpxchg users to this_cpu_cmpxchg_local Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 08/13] mm/vmstat: switch counter modification to cmpxchg Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 09/13] vmstat: switch per-cpu vmstat counters to 32-bits Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 10/13] mm/vmstat: use xchg in cpu_vm_stats_fold Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 11/13] mm/vmstat: switch vmstat shepherd to flush per-CPU counters remotely Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 12/13] mm/vmstat: refresh stats remotely instead of via work item Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:03 ` [PATCH v7 13/13] vmstat: add pcp remote node draining via cpu_vm_stats_fold Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 20:43   ` Tim Chen
2023-03-22  1:20     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-20 18:25 ` [PATCH v7 00/13] fold per-CPU vmstats remotely Michal Hocko
2023-03-20 19:07   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-22 10:13     ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-22 11:23       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-22 13:35         ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-22 14:20           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23  7:51             ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-23 10:52               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 10:59                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 12:17                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-23 13:30                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-03-23 13:32                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-18 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2023-04-19 11:14   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:15     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 13:44       ` Andrew Theurer
2023-04-20  7:55         ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-23  1:25           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:29     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 11:59       ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2023-04-19 12:24         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-04-19 13:48           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 14:35             ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-19 16:35               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-20  8:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-23  1:10                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-20 13:45                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-26 14:34                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-27  8:31                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-27 14:59                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-26 15:04                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-26 16:10                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-27  8:39                       ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-27 16:25                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-04-19 16:47       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-19 19:15         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2023-05-03 13:51           ` Marcelo Tosatti

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