From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: intorduce __GFP_UNMAPPED and unmapped_alloc()
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:39:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCKZuXxq38obmYpn@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCKIX3de5AZfGggK@kernel.org>
On Tue 28-03-23 09:25:35, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 03:43:27PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Sat 25-03-23 09:38:12, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 09:37:31AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Wed 08-03-23 11:41:02, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > > > From: "Mike Rapoport (IBM)" <rppt@kernel.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > When set_memory or set_direct_map APIs used to change attribute or
> > > > > permissions for chunks of several pages, the large PMD that maps these
> > > > > pages in the direct map must be split. Fragmenting the direct map in such
> > > > > manner causes TLB pressure and, eventually, performance degradation.
> > > > >
> > > > > To avoid excessive direct map fragmentation, add ability to allocate
> > > > > "unmapped" pages with __GFP_UNMAPPED flag that will cause removal of the
> > > > > allocated pages from the direct map and use a cache of the unmapped pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > This cache is replenished with higher order pages with preference for
> > > > > PMD_SIZE pages when possible so that there will be fewer splits of large
> > > > > pages in the direct map.
> > > > >
> > > > > The cache is implemented as a buddy allocator, so it can serve high order
> > > > > allocations of unmapped pages.
> > > >
> > > > Why do we need a dedicated gfp flag for all this when a dedicated
> > > > allocator is used anyway. What prevents users to call unmapped_pages_{alloc,free}?
> > >
> > > Using unmapped_pages_{alloc,free} adds complexity to the users which IMO
> > > outweighs the cost of a dedicated gfp flag.
> >
> > Aren't those users rare and very special anyway?
> >
> > > For modules we'd have to make x86::module_{alloc,free}() take care of
> > > mapping and unmapping the allocated pages in the modules virtual address
> > > range. This also might become relevant for another architectures in future
> > > and than we'll have several complex module_alloc()s.
> >
> > The module_alloc use is lacking any justification. More context would be
> > more than useful. Also vmalloc support for the proposed __GFP_UNMAPPED
> > likely needs more explanation as well.
>
> Right now module_alloc() boils down to vmalloc() with the virtual range
> limited to the modules area. The allocated chunk contains both code and
> data. When CONFIG_STRICT_MODULE_RWX is set, parts of the memory allocated
> with module_alloc() remapped with different permissions both in vmalloc
> address space and in the direct map. The change of permissions for small
> ranges causes splits of large pages in the direct map.
OK, so you want to reduce that direct map fragmentation? Is that a real
problem? My impression is that modules are mostly static thing. BPF
might be a different thing though. I have a recollection that BPF guys
were dealing with direct map fragmention as well.
> If we were to use unmapped_pages_alloc() in modules_alloc(), we would have
> to implement the part of vmalloc() that reserves the virtual addresses and
> maps the allocated memory there in module_alloc().
Another option would be to provide an allocator for the backing pages to
vmalloc. But I do agree that a gfp flag is a less laborous way to
achieve the same. So the primary question really is whether we really
need vmalloc support for unmapped memory.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-28 7:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-08 9:41 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Prototype for direct map awareness in page allocator Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08 9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: intorduce __GFP_UNMAPPED and unmapped_alloc() Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09 1:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09 14:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09 15:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09 6:31 ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-03-09 15:27 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-24 8:37 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-25 6:38 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-27 13:43 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-27 14:31 ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-03-27 15:10 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 6:25 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-28 7:39 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2023-03-28 15:11 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-28 15:24 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-29 7:28 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-29 8:13 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30 5:13 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-30 8:11 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 17:18 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-28 17:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-28 17:52 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-28 17:55 ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-18 3:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 15:23 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-18 16:33 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 16:48 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 17:00 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 17:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 18:47 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:03 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 20:03 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 20:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 20:51 ` Song Liu
2023-05-19 1:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19 15:08 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19 8:29 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 15:42 ` Song Liu
2023-05-22 22:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-19 15:47 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19 16:14 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 16:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 16:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 17:15 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 17:25 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 18:54 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:01 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-03-08 9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm/unmapped_alloc: add debugfs file similar to /proc/pagetypeinfo Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08 9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm/unmapped_alloc: add shrinker Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08 9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] EXPERIMENTAL: x86: use __GFP_UNMAPPED for modele_alloc() Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09 1:54 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-08 9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] EXPERIMENTAL: mm/secretmem: use __GFP_UNMAPPED Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09 1:59 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Prototype for direct map awareness in page allocator Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09 15:14 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 15:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-19 16:24 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 18:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-25 20:37 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-10 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-27 14:27 ` Mike Rapoport
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