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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>
Cc: lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 0a: CFMWS and NUMA Flexiblity
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 14:17:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9MhVZmFVTPpuRe1@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250313172004.00002236@huawei.com>

On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 05:20:04PM +0000, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net> wrote:
> 
> > -------------------------------
> > One 2GB Device, Multiple CFMWS.
> > -------------------------------
> > Lets imagine we have one 2GB device attached to a host bridge.
> > 
> > In this example, the device hosts 2GB of persistent memory - but we
> > might want the flexibility to map capacity as volatile or persistent.
> 
> Fairly sure we block persistent in a volatile CFMWS in the kernel.
> Any bios actually does this?
> 
> You might have a variable partition device but I thought in kernel at
> least we decided that no one was building that crazy?
> 

This was an example I pulled from Dan's notes elsewhere (i think).

I was unaware that we blocked mapping persistent as volatile.  I was
working off the assumption that could be flexible mapped similar to...
er... older, non-cxl hardware... cough.

> Maybe a QoS split is a better example to motivate one range, two places?
> 

That probably makes sense? 

> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Two Devices On One Host Bridge - With and Without Interleave.
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > What if we wanted some capacity on each endpoint hosted on its own NUMA
> > node, and wanted to interleave a portion of each device capacity?
> 
> If anyone hits the lock on commit (i.e. annoying BIOS) the ordering
> checks on HPA kick in here and restrict flexibility a lot
> (assuming I understand them correctly that is)
> 
> This is a good illustration of why we should at some point revisit
> multiple NUMA nodes per CFMWS.  We have to burn SPA space just
> to get nodes.  From a spec point of view all that is needed here
> is a single CFMWS. 
>

Along with the above note, and as mentioned on discord, I think this
whole section naturally evolves into a library of "Sane configurations"
and "We promise nothing for `reasons`" configurations.

Maybe that turns into a kernel doc section that requires updating if
a platform disagrees / comes up with new sane configurations.  This is
certainly the most difficult area to lock down because we have no idea
who is going to `innovate` and how. 

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-26 20:19 [LSF/MM] Linux management of volatile CXL memory devices - boot to bash Gregory Price
2025-02-05  2:17 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 1: BIOS, EFI, and Early Boot Gregory Price
2025-02-18 10:12   ` Yuquan Wang
2025-02-18 16:11     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-20 16:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-20 16:52     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-04  0:32   ` Gregory Price
2025-03-13 16:12     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-13 17:20       ` Gregory Price
2025-03-10 10:45   ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-10 14:19     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-05 16:06 ` CXL Boot to Bash - Section 2: The Drivers Gregory Price
2025-02-06  0:47   ` Dan Williams
2025-02-06 15:59     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-04  1:32   ` Gregory Price
2025-03-06 23:56   ` CXL Boot to Bash - Section 2a (Drivers): CXL Decoder Programming Gregory Price
2025-03-07  0:57     ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-03-07 15:07       ` Gregory Price
2025-03-11  2:48         ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-04-02  6:45     ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-04-02 14:18       ` Gregory Price
2025-04-08  3:10         ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-04-08  4:14           ` Gregory Price
2025-04-08  5:37             ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-02-17 20:05 ` CXL Boot to Bash - Section 3: Memory (block) Hotplug Gregory Price
2025-02-18 16:24   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-18 17:03     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-18 17:49   ` Yang Shi
2025-02-18 18:04     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-18 19:25       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-18 20:25         ` Gregory Price
2025-02-18 20:57           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-19  1:10             ` Gregory Price
2025-02-19  8:53               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-19 16:14                 ` Gregory Price
2025-02-20 17:50             ` Yang Shi
2025-02-20 18:43               ` Gregory Price
2025-02-20 19:26                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-20 19:35                   ` Gregory Price
2025-02-20 19:44                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-02-20 20:06                       ` Gregory Price
2025-03-11 14:53                   ` Zi Yan
2025-03-11 15:58                     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-11 16:08                       ` Zi Yan
2025-03-11 16:15                         ` Gregory Price
2025-03-11 16:35                         ` Oscar Salvador
2025-03-05 22:20 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 0: ACPI and Linux Resources Gregory Price
2025-03-05 22:44   ` Dave Jiang
2025-03-05 23:34     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-05 23:41       ` Dave Jiang
2025-03-06  0:09         ` Gregory Price
2025-03-06  1:37   ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-06 17:08     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-07  2:20       ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-07 15:12         ` Gregory Price
2025-03-13 17:00           ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-08  3:23   ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 0a: CFMWS and NUMA Flexiblity Gregory Price
2025-03-13 17:20     ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-13 18:17       ` Gregory Price [this message]
2025-03-14 11:09         ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-14 13:46           ` Gregory Price
2025-03-13 16:55   ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 0: ACPI and Linux Resources Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-13 17:30     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-14 11:14       ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-27  9:34     ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-27 12:36       ` Gregory Price
2025-03-27 13:21         ` Dan Williams
2025-03-27 16:36           ` Gregory Price
2025-03-31 23:49             ` [Lsf-pc] " Dan Williams
2025-03-12  0:09 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 4: Interleave Gregory Price
2025-03-13  8:31   ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-13 16:48     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-26  9:28   ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-26 12:53     ` Gregory Price
2025-03-27  2:20       ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-27  2:51         ` [Lsf-pc] " Dan Williams
2025-03-27  6:29           ` Yuquan Wang
2025-03-14  3:21 ` [LSF/MM] CXL Boot to Bash - Section 6: Page allocation Gregory Price
2025-03-18 17:09 ` [LSFMM] Updated: Linux Management of Volatile CXL Memory Devices Gregory Price
2025-04-02  4:49   ` Gregory Price
     [not found]     ` <CGME20250407161445uscas1p19322b476cafd59f9d7d6e1877f3148b8@uscas1p1.samsung.com>
2025-04-07 16:14       ` Adam Manzanares

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