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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	Honggyu Kim <honggyu.kim@sk.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Restricting or migrating unmovable kernel allocations from slow tier
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:48:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z55sl9HRYX3xcP-b@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z55MILLApIoPh0A1@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>

On Sat, Feb 01, 2025 at 11:30:24AM -0500, Gregory Price wrote:
> Rather than ask whether we can make portions of the kernel more ammenable
> to movable allocations, I think it's more beneficial to focus on whether
> we can reduce the ZONE_NORMAL cost of ZONE_MOVABLE capacity. That seems
> (to me) like the actual crux of this particular issue.

We can!  This is actually the topic of the talk I'm giving at FOSDEM in
about 15 hours time.

https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-4860-shrinking-memmap/

I'm just going to run through my slides and upload them in an hour or so.

My motivation isn't CXL related, but it's the sign of a good project
that it solves some unrelated problems.  Short version: we can halve the
cost this year, halve it again in 2026 with a fairly managable amount
of work, and maybe halve it a third time (for a total reduction of 7/8)
with a lot more work in 2027.

Further reductions beyond that are possible, but will need a lot more
work.  Some of that work we want to do anyway, regardless of whether
the reduction in overhead from 16MB/GB to 2MB/GB is sufficient.

... or we'll discover the performance effect is negative and shelve the
reduction in memmap size, having only accomplished a massive cleanup of
kernel data structures.  Which would be sad.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-01 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-01 13:29 Hyeonggon Yoo
2025-02-01 14:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-01 15:13   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2025-02-01 16:30     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-01 18:48       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2025-02-03 22:09       ` Dan Williams
2025-02-07  7:20   ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-07  8:57     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-07  9:27       ` Gregory Price
2025-02-07  9:34       ` Honggyu Kim
2025-02-07  9:54         ` Gregory Price
2025-02-07 10:49           ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-10  2:33           ` Harry (Hyeonggon) Yoo
2025-02-10  3:19             ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-10  6:00             ` Gregory Price
2025-02-10  7:17               ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-10 15:47                 ` Gregory Price
2025-02-10 15:55                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-02-10 16:06                     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-11  1:53                   ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-21  1:52                   ` Harry Yoo
2025-02-25  4:54                     ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Gathering ideas to reduce ZONE_NORMAL cost Byungchul Park
2025-02-25  5:06                   ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Restricting or migrating unmovable kernel allocations from slow tier Byungchul Park
2025-03-03 15:55                     ` Gregory Price
2025-02-07 10:14       ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-10  7:02       ` Byungchul Park
2025-02-04  9:59 ` David Hildenbrand

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