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From: Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
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	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
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	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Janosch Frank" <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Claudio Imbrenda" <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Eric Farman" <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 03/11] fs/proc/vmcore: disallow vmcore modifications after the vmcore was opened
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 18:42:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z07gkXQDrNfL10hu@MiWiFi-R3L-srv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a7ccbd86-2a62-4191-8742-ce45b6e8f73c@redhat.com>

On 11/29/24 at 11:38am, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 25.11.24 15:41, Baoquan He wrote:
> > On 11/22/24 at 10:30am, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 22.11.24 10:16, Baoquan He wrote:
> > > > On 10/25/24 at 05:11pm, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > ......snip...
> > > > > @@ -1482,6 +1470,10 @@ int vmcore_add_device_dump(struct vmcoredd_data *data)
> > > > >    		return -EINVAL;
> > > > >    	}
> > > > > +	/* We'll recheck under lock later. */
> > > > > +	if (data_race(vmcore_opened))
> > > > > +		return -EBUSY;
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > > As I commented to patch 7, if vmcore is opened and closed after
> > > > checking, do we need to give up any chance to add device dumping
> > > > as below?
> > > > 
> > > > fd = open(/proc/vmcore);
> > > > ...do checking;
> > > > close(fd);
> > > > 
> > > > quit any device dump adding;
> > > > 
> > > > run makedumpfile on s390;
> > > >     ->fd = open(/proc/vmcore);
> > > >       -> try to dump;
> > > >     ->close(fd);
> > > 
> > > The only reasonable case where this could happen (with virtio_mem) would be
> > > when you hotplug a virtio-mem device into a VM that is currently in the
> > > kdump kernel. However, in this case, the device would not provide any memory
> > > we want to dump:
> > > 
> > > (1) The memory was not available to the 1st (crashed) kernel, because
> > >      the device got hotplugged later.
> > > (2) Hotplugged virtio-mem devices show up with "no plugged memory",
> > >      meaning there wouldn't be even something to dump.
> > > 
> > > Drivers will be loaded (as part of the kernel or as part of the initrd)
> > > before any kdump action is happening. Similarly, just imagine your NIC
> > > driver not being loaded when you start dumping to a network share ...
> > > 
> > > This should similarly apply to vmcoredd providers.
> > > 
> > > There is another concern I had at some point with changing the effective
> > > /proc/vmcore size after someone already opened it, and might assume the size
> > > will stay unmodified (IOW, the file was completely static before vmcoredd
> > > showed up).
> > > 
> > > So unless there is a real use case that requires tracking whether the file
> > > is no longer open, to support modifying the vmcore afterwards, we should
> > > keep it simple.
> > > 
> > > I am not aware of any such cases, and my experiments with virtio_mem showed
> > > that the driver get loaded extremely early from the initrd, compared to when
> > > we actually start messing with /proc/vmcore from user space.

It's OK, David, I don't have strong opinion about the current
implementation. I raised this concern because

1) I saw the original vmcoredd only warn when doing register if
vmcore_opened is true;

2) in patch 1, it says vmcore_mutex is introduced to protect vmcore
modifications from concurrent opening. If we are confident, the old
vmcoredd_mutex can guarantee it, I could be wrong here.

Anyway, it's just a tiny concern, I believe it won't cause issue at
present. So it's up to you. 

Thanks



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-03 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-25 15:11 [PATCH v1 00/11] fs/proc/vmcore: kdump support for virtio-mem on s390 David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] fs/proc/vmcore: convert vmcore_cb_lock into vmcore_mutex David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:30   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15 10:03     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  8:16       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20  8:56         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] fs/proc/vmcore: replace vmcoredd_mutex by vmcore_mutex David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:32   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15 10:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  8:14       ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] fs/proc/vmcore: disallow vmcore modifications after the vmcore was opened David Hildenbrand
2024-11-22  9:16   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-25 14:41       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-29 10:38         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-03 10:42           ` Baoquan He [this message]
2024-12-03 10:51             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] fs/proc/vmcore: move vmcore definitions from kcore.h to crash_dump.h David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:44   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:42       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 10:28         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-21  4:35           ` Baoquan He
2024-11-21 15:37             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] fs/proc/vmcore: factor out allocating a vmcore memory node David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:45   ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] fs/proc/vmcore: factor out freeing a list of vmcore ranges David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20  9:46   ` Baoquan He
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] fs/proc/vmcore: introduce PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM to detect device RAM ranges in 2nd kernel David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 10:13   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 10:48     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-20 14:05       ` Baoquan He
2024-11-20 14:39         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-21  4:30           ` Baoquan He
2024-11-21 19:47             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-22  7:51               ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  7:31   ` Baoquan He
2024-11-22  9:47     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] virtio-mem: mark device ready before registering callbacks in kdump mode David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] virtio-mem: remember usable region size David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] virtio-mem: support CONFIG_PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM David Hildenbrand
2024-10-25 15:11 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] s390/kdump: virtio-mem kdump support (CONFIG_PROC_VMCORE_DEVICE_RAM) David Hildenbrand
2024-11-04  6:21 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] fs/proc/vmcore: kdump support for virtio-mem on s390 Baoquan He
2024-11-15  8:46 ` Baoquan He
2024-11-15  8:55   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-11-15  9:48     ` Baoquan He

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