From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: ptep_get_lockless() on 32-bit x86/mips/sh looks wrong
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:44:23 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yz7316NubHtw2xCa@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez3h-mnp9ZFC10v+-BW_8NQvxbwBsMYJFP8JX31o0B17Pg@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 05:23:59PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> ptep_get_lockless() does the following under CONFIG_GUP_GET_PTE_LOW_HIGH:
>
> pte_t pte;
> do {
> pte.pte_low = ptep->pte_low;
> smp_rmb();
> pte.pte_high = ptep->pte_high;
> smp_rmb();
> } while (unlikely(pte.pte_low != ptep->pte_low));
>
> It has a comment above it that argues that this is correct because:
> 1. A present PTE can't become non-present and then become a present
> PTE pointing to another page without a TLB flush in between.
> 2. TLB flushes involve IPIs.
>
> As far as I can tell, in particular on x86, _both_ of those
> assumptions are false; perhaps on mips and sh only one of them is?
>
> Number 2 is straightforward: X86 can run under hypervisors, and when
> it runs under hypervisors, the MMU paravirtualization code (including
> the KVM version) can implement remote TLB flushes without IPIs.
>
> Number 1 is gnarlier, because breaking that assumption implies that
> there can be a situation where different threads see different memory
> at the same virtual address because their TLBs are incoherent. But as
> far as I know, it can happen when MADV_DONTNEED races with an
> anonymous page fault, because zap_pte_range() does not always flush
> stale TLB entries before dropping the page table lock. I think that's
> probably fine, since it's a "garbage in, garbage out" kind of
> situation - but if a concurrent GUP-fast can then theoretically end up
> returning a completely unrelated page, that's bad.
>
>
> Sadly, mips and sh don't define arch_cmpxchg_double(), so we can't
> just change ptep_get_lockless() to use arch_cmpxchg_double() and be
> done with it...
I think the argument here has nothing to do with IPIs, but is more a
statement on memory ordering. What we want to get is a non-torn load
of low/high, under some restricted rules.
PTE writes should be ordered so that the present/not present bit is
properly:
Zapping a PTE:
write_low (not present)
wmb()
write_high (a)
wmb()
Reestablish a PTE:
write_high (b)
wmb()
write_low (present)
wmb()
This ordering is necessary to make the TLB's atomic 64 bit load work
properly, otherwise the TLB could read a present entry with a bogus
other half!
For ptep_get_lockless() we define non-torn as meaning the same as for the TLB:
pre-zap low / high (present)
restablish low / high (b) (present)
any low / any high (not present)
Other combinations are forbidden.
The read side has a corresponding list of reads:
read_low
rmb()
read_high
rmb()
read_low
So, it seems plausible this could be OK based only on atomics (I did
not check that the present bit is properly placed in the right
low/high). Do you see a way the atomics don't work out?
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-06 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-06 15:23 Jann Horn
2022-10-06 15:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-10-06 15:55 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-06 15:58 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-06 16:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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