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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/18] fsdax: Manage pgmap references at entry insertion and deletion
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 16:23:26 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yy4Hrve6Ncg6YsGd@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <632e031958740_33d629428@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:03:53PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:

> Perhaps, I'll take a look. The scenario I am more concerned about is
> processA sets up a VMA of PAGE_SIZE and races processB to fault in the
> same filesystem block with a VMA of PMD_SIZE. Right now processA gets a
> PTE mapping and processB gets a PMD mapping, but the refcounting is all
> handled in small pages. I need to investigate more what is needed for
> fsdax to support folio_size() > mapping entry size.

This is fine actually.

The PMD/PTE can hold a tail page. So the page cache will hold a PMD
sized folio, procesA will have a PTE pointing to a tail page and
processB will have a PMD pointing at the head page.

For the immediate instant you can keep accounting for each tail page
as you do now, just with folio wrappers. Once you have proper folios
you shift the accounting responsibility to the core code and the core
will faster with one ref per PMD/PTE.

The trick with folios is probably going to be breaking up a folio. THP
has some nasty stuff for that, but I think a FS would be better to
just revoke the entire folio, bring the refcount to 0, change the
underling physical mapping, and then fault will naturally restore a
properly sized folio to accomodate the new physical layout.

ie you never break up a folio once it is created from the pgmap.

What you want is to have largest possibile folios because it optimizes
all the handling logic.

.. and then you are well positioned to do some kind of trick where the
FS asserts at mount time that it never needs a folio less than order X
and you can then trigger the devdax optimization of folding struct
page memory and significantly reducing the wastage for struct page..

Jason



  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-23 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16  3:35 [PATCH v2 00/18] Fix the DAX-gup mistake Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] fsdax: Wait on @page not @page->_refcount Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] fsdax: Use dax_page_idle() to document DAX busy page checking Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] fsdax: Include unmapped inodes for page-idle detection Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] ext4: Add ext4_break_layouts() to the inode eviction path Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] xfs: Add xfs_break_layouts() " Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <20220918225731.GG3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-19 16:11     ` Dan Williams
     [not found]       ` <20220919212959.GL3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-20 16:44         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]           ` <20220921221416.GT3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-21 22:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20220923001846.GX3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-23  0:41                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                   ` <20220923021012.GZ3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-23  9:38                     ` Jan Kara
2022-09-23 23:06                       ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                       ` <20220925235407.GA3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-26 14:10                         ` Jan Kara
2022-09-29 23:33                           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-30 13:41                             ` Jan Kara
2022-09-30 17:56                               ` Dan Williams
2022-09-30 18:06                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-30 18:46                                   ` Dan Williams
2022-10-03  7:55                                   ` Jan Kara
2022-09-23 12:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                       ` <20220926003430.GB3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-26 13:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:02             ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] fsdax: Rework dax_layout_busy_page() to dax_zap_mappings() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] fsdax: Update dax_insert_entry() calling convention to return an error Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] fsdax: Cleanup dax_associate_entry() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] fsdax: Rework dax_insert_entry() calling convention Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] fsdax: Manage pgmap references at entry insertion and deletion Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:18     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 21:38       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 22:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:14           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  2:17               ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22 17:55                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22 21:54                   ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23  1:36                     ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-23  2:01                       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 13:24                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-23 16:29                       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 17:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-23 19:03                           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 19:23                             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-09-27  6:07                             ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-27 12:56                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] devdax: Minor warning fixups Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] devdax: Move address_space helpers to the DAX core Dan Williams
2022-09-27  6:20   ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-29 22:38     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] dax: Prep mapping helpers for compound pages Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:19     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] devdax: add PUD support to the DAX mapping infrastructure Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] devdax: Use dax_insert_entry() + dax_delete_mapping_entry() Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:10   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:48     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 22:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:15         ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] mm/memremap_pages: Support initializing pages to a zero reference count Dan Williams
2022-09-21 15:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 23:45     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:03       ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-22  0:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:34         ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  1:36           ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-22  2:34             ` Dan Williams
2022-09-26  6:17               ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-22  0:13       ` John Hubbard
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] fsdax: Delete put_devmap_managed_page_refs() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] mm/gup: Drop DAX pgmap accounting Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:29 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Fix the DAX-gup mistake Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-20 16:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-09  0:20 ` Andrew Morton
2022-11-09 11:38   ` Jan Kara

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