From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Bob Peterson <rpeterso@redhat.com>,
Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>,
Naohiro Aota <naohiro.aota@wdc.com>,
Johannes Thumshirn <jth@kernel.org>,
cluster-devel@redhat.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: remove iomap_writepage v2
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:18:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YuKam52dkTGycay2@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220728111016.uwbaywprzkzne7ib@quack3>
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 01:10:16PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> Hi Christoph!
>
> On Tue 19-07-22 06:13:07, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > this series removes iomap_writepage and it's callers, following what xfs
> > has been doing for a long time.
>
> So this effectively means "no writeback from page reclaim for these
> filesystems" AFAICT (page migration of dirty pages seems to be handled by
> iomap_migrate_page()) which is going to make life somewhat harder for
> memory reclaim when memory pressure is high enough that dirty pages are
> reaching end of the LRU list. I don't expect this to be a problem on big
> machines but it could have some undesirable effects for small ones
> (embedded, small VMs). I agree per-page writeback has been a bad idea for
> efficiency reasons for at least last 10-15 years and most filesystems
> stopped dealing with more complex situations (like block allocation) from
> ->writepage() already quite a few years ago without any bug reports AFAIK.
> So it all seems like a sensible idea from FS POV but are MM people on board
> or at least aware of this movement in the fs land?
I mentioned it during my folio session at LSFMM, but didn't put a huge
emphasis on it.
For XFS, writeback should already be in progress on other pages if
we're getting to the point of trying to call ->writepage() in vmscan.
Surely this is also true for other filesystems?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-28 14:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20220719041311.709250-1-hch@lst.de>
2022-07-28 11:10 ` Jan Kara
2022-07-28 14:18 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2022-07-28 22:48 ` Dave Chinner
2022-07-28 23:26 ` Yang Shi
2022-07-29 9:22 ` Mel Gorman
2022-07-29 14:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-08-01 15:31 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-08-10 20:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-10 21:32 ` Andreas Grünbacher
2022-08-10 23:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-11 5:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
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