From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 01/14] userfaultfd: set dirty and young on writeprotect
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 15:48:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YthcC78q1hdd7mNT@xz-m1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69022bad-d6f1-d830-224d-eb8e5c90d5c7@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 09:33:35PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 20.07.22 21:15, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 05:10:37PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> >> For pagecache pages it may as well be *plain wrong* to bypass the write
> >> fault handler and simply mark pages dirty+map them writable.
> >
> > Could you elaborate?
>
> Write-fault handling for some filesystems (that even require this
> "slow path") is a bit special.
>
> For example, do_shared_fault() might have to call page_mkwrite().
>
> AFAIK file systems use that for lazy allocation of disk blocks.
> If you simply go ahead and map a !dirty pagecache page writable
> and mark it dirty, it will not trigger page_mkwrite() and you might
> end up corrupting data.
>
> That's why we the old change_pte_range() code never touched
> anything if the pte wasn't already dirty.
I don't think that pte_dirty() check was for the pagecache code. For any fs
that has page_mkwrite() defined, it'll already have vma_wants_writenotify()
return 1, so we'll never try to add write bit, hence we'll never even try
to check pte_dirty().
> Because as long as it's not writable,
> the FS might have to be informed about the write-unprotect.
>
> And we end up in the case here for VM_SHARED with vma_wants_writenotify().
> Where we, for example, check
>
> /* The backer wishes to know when pages are first written to? *
> if (vm_ops && (vm_ops->page_mkwrite || vm_ops->pfn_mkwrite))$
> return 1;
>
>
> Long story short, we should be really careful with write-fault handler bypasses,
> especially when deciding to set dirty bits. For pagecache pages, we have to be
> especially careful.
Since you mentioned page_mkwrite, IMHO it's really the write bit not dirty
bit that matters here (and IMHO that's why it's called page_mkwrite() not
page_mkdirty()). Here Nadav's patch added pte_mkdirty() only if
pte_mkwrite() happens. So I'm a bit confused on what's your worry, and
what you're against doing.
Say, even if with my original proposal to set dirty unconditionally, it'll
be still be after the pte_mkwrite(). I never see how that could affect
page_mkwrite not to mention it'll not even reach there.
>
> For exclusive anon pages it's mostly ok, because wp_page_reuse()
> doesn't really contain that much magic. The only thing to consider for ordinary
> mprotect() is that there is -- IMHO -- absolutely no guarantee that someone will
> write to a specific write-unprotected page soon. For uffd-wp-unprotect it might be
> easier to guess, especially, if we un-protect only a single page.
Yeh, as mentioned I think that's a valid point - looks good to me to attach
the dirty bit only when with a hint.
Thanks,
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-07-20 19:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20220718120212.3180-1-namit@vmware.com>
2022-07-18 12:01 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-19 20:47 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-20 9:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 13:10 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-20 15:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 19:15 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-20 19:33 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 19:48 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2022-07-20 19:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 20:22 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 20:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 20:56 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-21 7:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-21 14:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 9:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 17:36 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 18:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 18:09 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 18:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] userfaultfd: try to map write-unprotected pages Nadav Amit
2022-07-19 20:49 ` Peter Xu
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] mm/mprotect: allow exclusive anon pages to be writable Nadav Amit
2022-07-20 15:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-20 17:25 ` Nadav Amit
2022-07-21 7:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] mm/mprotect: preserve write with MM_CP_TRY_CHANGE_WRITABLE Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] mm/rmap: avoid flushing on page_vma_mkclean_one() when possible Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] mm: do fix spurious page-faults for instruction faults Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] x86/mm: introduce flush_tlb_fix_spurious_fault Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] x86/mm: introduce relaxed TLB flushes Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] x86/mm: use relaxed TLB flushes when protection is removed Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] x86/tlb: no flush on PTE change from RW->RO when PTE is clean Nadav Amit
2022-07-18 12:02 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] mm: conditional check of pfn in pte_flush_type Nadav Amit
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