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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"Naveen N. Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Anil S Keshavamurthy <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
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	"linux-modules@vger.kernel.org" <linux-modules@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 bpf-next 0/5] bpf_prog_pack followup
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:18:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ysz2LX3q2OsaO4gM@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6214B9C9-557B-4DC0-BFDE-77EAC425E577@fb.com>

On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 01:14:23AM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 2022, at 3:24 PM, Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> 1) Rename module_alloc_huge as module_alloc_text_huge();
> > 
> > module_alloc_text_huge() is too long, but I've suggested names before
> > which are short and generic, and also suggested that if modules are
> > not the only users this needs to go outside of modules and so
> > vmalloc_text_huge() or whatever.
> > 
> > To do this right it begs the question why we don't do that for the
> > existing module_alloc(), as the users of this code is well outside of
> > modules now. Last time a similar generic name was used all the special
> > arch stuff was left to be done by the module code still, but still
> > non-modules were still using that allocator. From my perspective the
> > right thing to do is to deal with all the arch stuff as well in the
> > generic handler, and have the module code *and* the other users which
> > use module_alloc() to use that new caller as well.
> 
> The key difference between module_alloc() and the new API is that the 
> API will return RO+X memory, and the user need text-poke like API to
> modify this buffer. Archs that do not support text-poke will not be
> able to use the new API. Does this sound like a reasonable design?

I'm adding kprobe + ftrace folks.

I can't see why we need to *require* text_poke for just a
module_alloc_huge(). Enhancements on module_alloc() are just
enhancements, not requirements. So we have these for instance:

``` from arch/Kconfig
config ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
	def_bool n

config ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT
	def_bool n

config ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
	def_bool n

config STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
	bool "Make kernel text and rodata read-only" if ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
	depends on ARCH_HAS_STRICT_KERNEL_RWX
	default !ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX || ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT
	help
	  If this is set, kernel text and rodata memory will be made read-only,
	  and non-text memory will be made non-executable. This provides
	  protection against certain security exploits (e.g. executing the heap
	  or modifying text)

	  These features are considered standard security practice these days.
	  You should say Y here in almost all cases.

config ARCH_HAS_STRICT_MODULE_RWX
	def_bool n

config STRICT_MODULE_RWX
	bool "Set loadable kernel module data as NX and text as RO" if ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX
	depends on ARCH_HAS_STRICT_MODULE_RWX && MODULES
	default !ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX || ARCH_OPTIONAL_KERNEL_RWX_DEFAULT
	help
	  If this is set, module text and rodata memory will be made read-only,
	  and non-text memory will be made non-executable. This provides
	  protection against certain security exploits (e.g. writing to text)
```

With module_alloc() we have the above symbols to tell us when we *can*
support strict module rwx. So the way the kernel's modules are allocated
and used is:

for each module section:
	module_alloc()
module_enable_ro()
module_enable_nx()
module_enable_x()

The above can be read in the code as:

load_module() -->
	layout_and_allocate()
	complete_formation()

Then there is the consideration of set_vm_flush_reset_perms() for
freeing. On the module code we use this fore the RO+X stuff (core_layout,
init_layout), but now that is a bit obfuscated due to the placement of
the call. It would seem the other users use it for the same:

 * ebpf
 * kprobes
 * ftrace

I believe you are mentioning requiring text_poke() because the way
eBPF code uses the module_alloc() is different. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but from what I gather is you use the text_poke_copy() as the data
is already RO+X, contrary module_alloc() use cases. You do this since your
bpf_prog_pack_alloc() calls set_memory_ro() and set_memory_x() after
module_alloc() and before you can use this memory. This is a different type
of allocator. And, again please correct me if I'm wrong but now you want to
share *one* 2 MiB huge-page for multiple BPF programs to help with the
impact of TLB misses.

A vmalloc_ro_exec() by definition would imply a text_poke().

Can kprobes, ftrace and modules use it too? It would be nice
so to not have to deal with the loose semantics on the user to
have to use set_vm_flush_reset_perms() on ro+x later, but
I think this can be addressed separately on a case by case basis.

But a vmalloc_ro_exec() with a respective free can remove the
requirement to do set_vm_flush_reset_perms().

  Luis


  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-12  4:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-07 22:35 Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:35 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 1/5] module: introduce module_alloc_huge Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:35 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 2/5] bpf: use module_alloc_huge for bpf_prog_pack Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:35 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 3/5] vmalloc: WARN for set_vm_flush_reset_perms() on huge pages Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:35 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 4/5] vmalloc: introduce huge_vmalloc_supported Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:35 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 5/5] bpf: simplify select_bpf_prog_pack_size Song Liu
2022-07-07 22:59 ` [PATCH v6 bpf-next 0/5] bpf_prog_pack followup Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-07 23:52   ` Song Liu
2022-07-08  0:53     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-08  1:36       ` Song Liu
2022-07-08 15:58         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-08 19:58           ` Song Liu
2022-07-08 22:24             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-09  1:14               ` Song Liu
2022-07-12  4:18                 ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2022-07-12  4:24                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-12  5:49                   ` Song Liu
2022-07-12 19:04                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-12 23:12                       ` Song Liu
2022-07-12 23:42                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-13  1:00                           ` Song Liu

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