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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Linux MM Mailing List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] mm/gup: Add FOLL_INTERRUPTIBLE
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 11:47:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yrx0ETyb2kk4fO4M@xz-m1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <177284f9-416d-c142-a826-e9a497751fca@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 05:31:43PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
> On 6/28/22 15:33, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > The key point is the connection between "locked" and killable. If the comment
> > > explained why "locked" means "killable", that would help clear this up. The
> > > NOWAIT sentence is also confusing to me, and adding "mostly NOWAIT" does not
> > > clear it up either... :)
> > 
> > Sorry to have a comment that makes it feels confusing.  I tried to
> > explicitly put the comment to be after setting FAULT_FLAG_KILLABLE but
> > obviously I didn't do my job well..
> > 
> > Maybe that NOWAIT thing adds more complexity but not even necessary.
> > 
> > Would below one more acceptable?
> > 
> > 		/*
> > 		 * We'll only be able to respond to signals when "locked !=
> > 		 * NULL".  When with it, we'll always respond to SIGKILL
> > 		 * (as implied by FAULT_FLAG_KILLABLE above), and we'll
> > 		 * respond to non-fatal signals only if the GUP user has
> > 		 * specified FOLL_INTERRUPTIBLE.
> > 		 */
> 
> 
> It looks like part of this comment is trying to document a pre-existing
> concept, which is that faultin_page() only ever sets FAULT_FLAG_KILLABLE
> if locked != NULL.

I'd say that's not what I wanted to comment.. I wanted to express that
INTERRUPTIBLE should rely on KILLABLE, that's also why I put the comment to
be after KILLABLE, not before.  IMHO it makes sense already to have
"interruptible" only if "killable", no matter what's the pre-requisite for
KILLABLE (in this case it's having "locked" being non-null).

> The problem I am (personally) having is that I don't yet understand why
> or how those are connected: what is it about having locked non-NULL that
> means the process is killable? (Can you explain why that is?)

Firstly RETRY_KILLABLE relies on ALLOW_RETRY, because if we don't allow
retry at all it means we'll never wait in handle_mm_fault() anyway, then no
need to worry on being interrupted by any kind of signal (fatal or not).

Then if we allow retry, we need some way to know "whether mmap_sem is
released or not" during the process for the caller (because the caller
cannot see VM_FAULT_RETRY).  That's why we added "locked" parameter, so
that we can set *locked=false to tell the caller we have released mmap_sem.

I think that's why we have "locked" defined as "we allow this page fault
request to retry and wait, during wait we can always allow fatal signals".
I think that's defined throughout the gup call interfaces too, and
faultin_page() is the last step to talk to handle_mm_fault().

To make this whole picture complete, NOWAIT is another thing that relies on
ALLOW_RETRY but just to tell "oh please never release the mmap_sem at all".
For example, when we want to make sure no vma will be released after
faultin_page() returned.

> 
> If that were clear, I think I could suggest a good comment wording.

IMHO it's a little bit weird to explain "locked" here, especially after
KILLABLE is set, that's why I didn't try to mention "locked" in my 2nd
attempt.  There are some comments for "locked" above the definition of
faultin_page(), I think that'll be a nicer place to enrich explanations for
"locked", and it seems even more suitable as a separate patch?

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-29 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-22 21:36 [PATCH 0/4] kvm/mm: Allow GUP to respond to non fatal signals Peter Xu
2022-06-22 21:36 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm/gup: Add FOLL_INTERRUPTIBLE Peter Xu
2022-06-25  0:35   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-06-25  1:23     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-25 23:59       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-06-27 15:29         ` Peter Xu
2022-06-28  2:07   ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28 19:31     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-28 21:40       ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28 22:33         ` Peter Xu
2022-06-29  0:31           ` John Hubbard
2022-06-29 15:47             ` Peter Xu [this message]
2022-06-30  1:53               ` John Hubbard
2022-06-30 13:49                 ` Peter Xu
2022-06-30 19:01                   ` John Hubbard
2022-06-30 21:27                     ` Peter Xu
2022-07-04 22:48   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-07-07 15:06     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-22 21:36 ` [PATCH 2/4] kvm: Merge "atomic" and "write" in __gfn_to_pfn_memslot() Peter Xu
2022-06-23 14:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-23 19:46     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-23 20:29       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-23 21:29         ` Peter Xu
2022-06-23 21:52           ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-27 19:12             ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28  2:17   ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28 19:46     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-28 21:52       ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28 22:50         ` Peter Xu
2022-06-28 22:55           ` John Hubbard
2022-06-28 23:02             ` Peter Xu
2022-06-22 21:36 ` [PATCH 3/4] kvm: Add new pfn error KVM_PFN_ERR_INTR Peter Xu
2022-06-23 14:31   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-23 19:32     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-22 21:36 ` [PATCH 4/4] kvm/x86: Allow to respond to generic signals during slow page faults Peter Xu
2022-06-23 14:46   ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-23 19:31     ` Peter Xu
2022-06-23 20:07       ` Sean Christopherson
2022-06-23 20:18         ` Peter Xu

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