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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/memcg: Free percpu stats memory of dying memcg's
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:33:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YmGHYNuAp8957ouq@carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220421145845.1044652-1-longman@redhat.com>

On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:58:45AM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> For systems with large number of CPUs, the majority of the memory
> consumed by the mem_cgroup structure is actually the percpu stats
> memory. When a large number of memory cgroups are continuously created
> and destroyed (like in a container host), it is possible that more
> and more mem_cgroup structures remained in the dying state holding up
> increasing amount of percpu memory.
> 
> We can't free up the memory of the dying mem_cgroup structure due to
> active references in some other places. However, the percpu stats memory
> allocated to that mem_cgroup is a different story.
> 
> This patch adds a new percpu_stats_disabled variable to keep track of
> the state of the percpu stats memory. If the variable is set, percpu
> stats update will be disabled for that particular memcg. All the stats
> update will be forward to its parent instead. Reading of the its percpu
> stats will return 0.
> 
> The flushing and freeing of the percpu stats memory is a multi-step
> process. The percpu_stats_disabled variable is set when the memcg is
> being set to offline state. After a grace period with the help of RCU,
> the percpu stats data are flushed and then freed.
> 
> This will greatly reduce the amount of memory held up by dying memory
> cgroups.
> 
> By running a simple management tool for container 2000 times per test
> run, below are the results of increases of percpu memory (as reported
> in /proc/meminfo) and nr_dying_descendants in root's cgroup.stat.

Hi Waiman!

I've been proposing the same idea some time ago:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20190312223404.28665-7-guro@fb.com/T/ .

However I dropped it with the thinking that with many other fixes
preventing the accumulation of the dying cgroups it's not worth the added
complexity and a potential cpu overhead.

I think it ultimately comes to the number of dying cgroups. If it's low,
memory savings are not worth the cpu overhead. If it's high, they are.
I hope long-term to drive it down significantly (with lru-pages reparenting
being the first major milestone), but it might take a while.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, just want to dump my thoughts
on this.

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-21 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-21 14:58 Waiman Long
2022-04-21 16:33 ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2022-04-21 17:28   ` Waiman Long
2022-04-21 17:59     ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-21 18:46       ` Waiman Long
2022-04-22  2:29         ` Muchun Song
2022-04-25  1:01           ` Waiman Long
2022-04-22  2:59         ` Roman Gushchin
2022-04-22 10:27           ` Muchun Song
2022-04-22 15:00             ` Roman Gushchin

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