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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@google.com>
Cc: Alex Shi <alex.shi@linux.alibaba.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
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	Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Patrick Xia <patrickx@google.com>,
	Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/14] mm: userspace hugepage collapse
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:37:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YjiNlPWkBN6UwEOY@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220308213417.1407042-1-zokeefe@google.com>

[ Removed  Richard Henderson from the CC list as the delivery fails for
  his address]
On Tue 08-03-22 13:34:03, Zach O'Keefe wrote:
> Introduction
> --------------------------------
> 
> This series provides a mechanism for userspace to induce a collapse of
> eligible ranges of memory into transparent hugepages in process context,
> thus permitting users to more tightly control their own hugepage
> utilization policy at their own expense.
> 
> This idea was previously introduced by David Rientjes, and thanks to
> everyone for your patience while I prepared these patches resulting from
> that discussion[1].
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/C8C89F13-3F04-456B-BA76-DE2C378D30BF@nvidia.com/
> 
> Interface
> --------------------------------
> 
> The proposed interface adds a new madvise(2) mode, MADV_COLLAPSE, and
> leverages the new process_madvise(2) call.
> 
> (*) process_madvise(2)
> 
>         Performs a synchronous collapse of the native pages mapped by
>         the list of iovecs into transparent hugepages. The default gfp
>         flags used will be the same as those used at-fault for the VMA
>         region(s) covered.

Could you expand on reasoning here? The default allocation mode for #PF
is rather light. Madvised will try harder. The reasoning is that we want
to make stalls due to #PF as small as possible and only try harder for
madvised areas (also a subject of configuration). Wouldn't it make more
sense to try harder for an explicit calls like madvise?

>	  When multiple VMA regions are spanned, if
>         faulting-in memory from any VMA would permit synchronous
>         compaction and reclaim, then all hugepage allocations required
>         to satisfy the request may enter compaction and reclaim.

I am not sure I follow here. Let's have a memory range spanning two
vmas, one with MADV_HUGEPAGE.

>         Diverging from the at-fault semantics, VM_NOHUGEPAGE is ignored
>         by default, as the user is explicitly requesting this action.
>         Define two flags to control collapse semantics, passed through
>         process_madvise(2)’s optional flags parameter:

This part is discussed later in the thread.

> 
>         MADV_F_COLLAPSE_LIMITS
> 
>         If supplied, collapse respects pte collapse limits set via
>         sysfs:
>         /transparent_hugepage/khugepaged/max_ptes_[none|swap|shared].
>         Required if calling on behalf of another process and not
>         CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> 
>         MADV_F_COLLAPSE_DEFRAG
> 
>         If supplied, permit synchronous compaction and reclaim,
>         regardless of VMA flags.

Why do we need this?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-21 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-08 21:34 Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] mm/rmap: add mm_find_pmd_raw helper Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 22:48   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] mm/khugepaged: add struct collapse_control Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 22:53   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] mm/khugepaged: add __do_collapse_huge_page() helper Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] mm/khugepaged: separate khugepaged_scan_pmd() scan and collapse Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] mm/khugepaged: add mmap_assert_locked() checks to scan_pmd() Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] mm/khugepaged: add hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count() Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 23:15   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] mm/khugepaged: add vm_flags_ignore to hugepage_vma_revalidate_pmd_count() Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 23:17   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10  0:00     ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10  0:41       ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10  1:09         ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10  2:16           ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10 15:50             ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10 18:17               ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10 18:46                 ` David Rientjes
2022-03-10 18:58                   ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10 19:54                   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10 20:24                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10 18:53                 ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10 15:56   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-03-10 18:39     ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10 18:54     ` David Rientjes
2022-03-21 14:27       ` Michal Hocko
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] mm/thp: add madv_thp_vm_flags to __transparent_hugepage_enabled() Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] mm/khugepaged: record SCAN_PAGE_COMPOUND when scan_pmd() finds THP Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 23:40   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10  0:46     ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10  2:05       ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10  8:37         ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] mm/khugepaged: rename khugepaged-specific/not functions Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] mm/madvise: introduce MADV_COLLAPSE sync hugepage collapse Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-09 23:43   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10  1:11     ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] mm/madvise: introduce batched madvise(MADV_COLLPASE) collapse Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-10  0:06   ` Yang Shi
2022-03-10 19:26     ` David Rientjes
2022-03-10 20:16       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-11  0:06         ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-25 16:51           ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-25 19:54             ` Yang Shi
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] mm/madvise: add __madvise_collapse_*_batch() actions Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-08 21:34 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] mm/madvise: add process_madvise(MADV_COLLAPSE) Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-21 14:32 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] mm: userspace hugepage collapse Zi Yan
2022-03-21 14:51   ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-21 14:37 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2022-03-21 15:46   ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-22 12:11     ` Michal Hocko
2022-03-22 15:53       ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-29 12:24         ` Michal Hocko
2022-03-30  0:36           ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-22  6:40 ` Zach O'Keefe
2022-03-22 12:05   ` Michal Hocko
2022-03-23 13:30     ` Zach O'Keefe

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