From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDB3C433EF for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED06F61157 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:09 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 mail.kernel.org ED06F61157 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 409346B0072; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 3B9DF6B0073; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 2A7DC6B0074; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0028.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.28]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184406B0072 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpin22.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27981828AC61 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:08 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 78590997576.22.63D1291 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by imf15.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AC8D00009F for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-72-74-133-215.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [72.74.133.215]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 18FKmtSi032013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:48:56 -0400 Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 17EBB15C3427; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:48:55 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: James Bottomley Cc: Chris Mason , Johannes Weiner , Kent Overstreet , Matthew Wilcox , Linus Torvalds , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , linux-fsdevel , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Andrew Morton , "Darrick J. Wong" , Christoph Hellwig , David Howells , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: [MAINTAINER SUMMIT] Folios as a potential Kernel/Maintainers Summit topic? Message-ID: References: <17242A0C-3613-41BB-84E4-2617A182216E@fb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Stat-Signature: 531bbf4hga6qurak7x3wohtpmdax5rwb Authentication-Results: imf15.hostedemail.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (imf15.hostedemail.com: domain of tytso@mit.edu has no SPF policy when checking 18.9.28.11) smtp.mailfrom=tytso@mit.edu X-Rspamd-Server: rspam03 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 51AC8D00009F X-HE-Tag: 1631738948-930059 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 03:15:13PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > My reading of the email threads is that they're iterating to an actual > conclusion (I admit, I'm surprised) ... or at least the disagreements > are getting less. Since the merge window closed this is now a 5.16 > thing, so there's no huge urgency to getting it resolved next week. My read was that it was more that people were just getting exhausted, and not necessarily that folks were converging. (Also, Willy is currently on vacation.) I'm happy to be wrong, bu the patches haven't changed since the merge window opened, and it's not clear what *needs* to change before it can be accepted at the next merge window. > Well, the current one seems to be working (admittedly eventually, so > achieving faster resolution next time might be good) ... but I'm sure > you could propose alternatives ... especially in the time to resolution > department. Given how long it took for DAX to converge (years and years and years and *multiple* LSF/MM's), I'm not as optimistic that Folios is converge and is about to be merged at the next merge window. But again, I'm happy to be proven wrong. - Ted