From: Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Vladimir Davydov <vdavydov.dev@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Xiongchun duan <duanxiongchun@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/15] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:58:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YGN0141iu5HTGiNJ@carbon.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALvZod4xHNmTQMd+zg71s7uyXUHEfwnQ-zqRXSWphwi9RogeNg@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:34:11AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since the following patchsets applied. All the kernel memory are charged
> > with the new APIs of obj_cgroup.
> >
> > [v17,00/19] The new cgroup slab memory controller
> > [v5,0/7] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge kmem pages
> >
> > But user memory allocations (LRU pages) pinning memcgs for a long time -
> > it exists at a larger scale and is causing recurring problems in the real
> > world: page cache doesn't get reclaimed for a long time, or is used by the
> > second, third, fourth, ... instance of the same job that was restarted into
> > a new cgroup every time. Unreclaimable dying cgroups pile up, waste memory,
> > and make page reclaim very inefficient.
> >
> > We can convert LRU pages and most other raw memcg pins to the objcg direction
> > to fix this problem, and then the LRU pages will not pin the memcgs.
> >
> > This patchset aims to make the LRU pages to drop the reference to memory
> > cgroup by using the APIs of obj_cgroup. Finally, we can see that the number
> > of the dying cgroups will not increase if we run the following test script.
> >
> > ```bash
> > #!/bin/bash
> >
> > cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
> >
> > cd /sys/fs/cgroup/memory
> >
> > for i in range{1..500}
> > do
> > mkdir test
> > echo $$ > test/cgroup.procs
> > sleep 60 &
> > echo $$ > cgroup.procs
> > echo `cat test/cgroup.procs` > cgroup.procs
> > rmdir test
> > done
> >
> > cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
> > ```
> >
> > Patch 1 aims to fix page charging in page replacement.
> > Patch 2-5 are code cleanup and simplification.
> > Patch 6-15 convert LRU pages pin to the objcg direction.
>
> The main concern I have with *just* reparenting LRU pages is that for
> the long running systems, the root memcg will become a dumping ground.
> In addition a job running multiple times on a machine will see
> inconsistent memory usage if it re-accesses the file pages which were
> reparented to the root memcg.
I agree, but also the reparenting is not the perfect thing in a combination
with any memory protections (e.g. memory.low).
Imagine the following configuration:
workload.slice
- workload_gen_1.service memory.min = 30G
- workload_gen_2.service memory.min = 30G
- workload_gen_3.service memory.min = 30G
...
Parent cgroup and several generations of the child cgroup, protected by a memory.low.
Once the memory is getting reparented, it's not protected anymore.
I guess we need something smarter: e.g. reassign a page to a different
cgroup if the page is activated/rotated and is currently on a dying lru.
Also, I'm somewhat concerned about the interaction of the reparenting
with the writeback and dirty throttling. How does it work together?
Thanks!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-03-30 18:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-30 10:15 Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/15] mm: memcontrol: fix page charging in page replacement Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:07 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/15] mm: memcontrol: bail out early when !mm in get_mem_cgroup_from_mm Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:08 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/15] mm: memcontrol: remove the pgdata parameter of mem_cgroup_page_lruvec Muchun Song
2021-04-02 15:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/15] mm: memcontrol: use lruvec_memcg in lruvec_holds_page_lru_lock Muchun Song
2021-04-02 16:21 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-03 12:37 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/15] mm: memcontrol: simplify the logic of objcg pinning memcg Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/15] mm: memcontrol: move the objcg infrastructure out of CONFIG_MEMCG_KMEM Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/15] mm: memcontrol: introduce compact_lock_page_lruvec_irqsave Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/15] mm: memcontrol: make lruvec lock safe when the LRU pages reparented Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/15] mm: thp: introduce lock/unlock_split_queue{_irqsave}() Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/15] mm: thp: make deferred split queue lock safe when the LRU pages reparented Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 11/15] mm: memcontrol: make all the callers of page_memcg() safe Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 12/15] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 13/15] mm: memcontrol: use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 14/15] mm: memcontrol: rename {un}lock_page_memcg() to {un}lock_page_objcg() Muchun Song
2021-03-30 10:15 ` [RFC PATCH 15/15] mm: lru: add VM_BUG_ON_PAGE to lru maintenance function Muchun Song
2021-03-30 18:34 ` [RFC PATCH 00/15] Use obj_cgroup APIs to charge the LRU pages Shakeel Butt
2021-03-30 18:58 ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2021-03-30 21:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-30 22:05 ` Roman Gushchin
2021-03-31 15:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-01 16:07 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-04-01 17:15 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-04-02 3:14 ` Muchun Song
2021-04-02 17:30 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-04-01 21:34 ` Roman Gushchin
2021-04-01 22:55 ` Yang Shi
2021-04-02 4:03 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2021-03-30 21:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2021-03-31 0:28 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-03-31 3:28 ` Balbir Singh
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