From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A13FC433E0 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDE564E7A for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:26:30 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org BCDE564E7A Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=suse.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 058526B0005; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 009B06B006C; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id E62816B006E; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0023.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.23]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19A86B0005 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpin26.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay03.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7568248047 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:26:29 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 77798803698.26.price40_420453627607 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.16.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.16.251]) by smtpin26.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC76D1810527B for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) X-HE-Tag: price40_420453627607 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 4077 Received: from mx2.suse.de (mx2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by imf31.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:25:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.com; s=susede1; t=1612877107; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=ZVdQYAWpX2uS4c8GuGsp90KbxvIcZCLSEozx0GHShkA=; b=AMu2gqbj/4bFKubqIvA00x5aKR/RM0bxKuI5rFq/VIF9xzAE5jv4eYLmgTbusqtjFAY5Df Aox1zELPhI/1rzb/LrFIULNqnHdWSAlWT1TNgH3OziiDEXT769CiOawfnAmhijx6/V4k/9 8MT4wMa2DixXuIxBTpeQxrZHRPB3LL4= Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.221.27]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7E2AD6A; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:25:06 +0100 From: Michal Hocko To: David Hildenbrand Cc: Mike Rapoport , Andrew Morton , Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , Arnd Bergmann , Borislav Petkov , Catalin Marinas , Christopher Lameter , Dan Williams , Dave Hansen , Elena Reshetova , "H. Peter Anvin" , Ingo Molnar , James Bottomley , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Matthew Wilcox , Mark Rutland , Mike Rapoport , Michael Kerrisk , Palmer Dabbelt , Paul Walmsley , Peter Zijlstra , Rick Edgecombe , Roman Gushchin , Shakeel Butt , Shuah Khan , Thomas Gleixner , Tycho Andersen , Will Deacon , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v17 00/10] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Message-ID: References: <20210208211326.GV242749@kernel.org> <1F6A73CF-158A-4261-AA6C-1F5C77F4F326@redhat.com> <662b5871-b461-0896-697f-5e903c23d7b9@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Tue 09-02-21 11:23:35, David Hildenbrand wrote: [...] > I am constantly trying to fight for making more stuff MOVABLE instead of > going into the other direction (e.g., because it's easier to implement, > which feels like the wrong direction). > > Maybe I am the only person that really cares about ZONE_MOVABLE these days > :) I can't stop such new stuff from popping up, so at least I want it to be > documented. MOVABLE zone is certainly an important thing to keep working. And there is still quite a lot of work on the way. But as I've said this is more of a outlier than a norm. On the other hand movable zone is kinda hard requirement for a lot of application and it is to be expected that many features will be less than 100% compatible. Some usecases even impossible. That's why I am arguing that we should have a central document where the movable zone is documented with all the potential problems we have encountered over time and explicitly state which features are fully/partially incompatible. -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs