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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: "T.J. Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Track exported dma-buffers with memcg
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:25:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y7/gIRv9aJfPK7/f@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230112075631.wc6fd54ci55drhkp@google.com>

On Thu 12-01-23 07:56:31, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 11:56:45PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > 
> [...]
> > I think eventually, at least for other "account gpu stuff in cgroups" use
> > case we do want to actually charge the memory.
> > 
> > The problem is a bit that with gpu allocations reclaim is essentially "we
> > pass the error to userspace and they get to sort the mess out". There are
> > some exceptions (some gpu drivers to have shrinkers) would we need to make
> > sure these shrinkers are tied into the cgroup stuff before we could enable
> > charging for them?
> > 
> 
> No, there is no requirement to have shrinkers or making such memory
> reclaimable before charging it. Though existing shrinkers and the
> possible future shrinkers would need to be converted into memcg aware
> shrinkers.
> 
> Though there will be a need to update user expectations that if they 
> use memcgs with hard limits, they may start seeing memcg OOMs after the
> charging of dmabuf.

Agreed. This wouldn't be the first in kernel memory charged memory that
is not directly reclaimable. With a dedicated counter an excessive
dmabuf usage would be visible in the oom report because we do print
memcg stats.

It is definitely preferable to have a shrinker mechanism but if that is
to be done in a follow up step then this is acceptable. But leaving out
charging from early on sounds like a bad choice to me.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


      reply	other threads:[~2023-01-12 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-09 21:38 T.J. Mercier
2023-01-09 21:38 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg: Track exported dma-buffers T.J. Mercier
2023-01-10  8:58   ` Michal Hocko
2023-01-10 19:08     ` T.J. Mercier
2023-01-10  0:18 ` [PATCH 0/4] Track exported dma-buffers with memcg Shakeel Butt
2023-01-11 22:56   ` Daniel Vetter
2023-01-12  0:49     ` T.J. Mercier
2023-01-12  8:13       ` Shakeel Butt
2023-01-12  8:17         ` Christian König
2023-01-12  7:56     ` Shakeel Butt
2023-01-12 10:25       ` Michal Hocko [this message]

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