From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>
Cc: Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team <kernel-team@cloudflare.com>
Subject: Re: Low TCP throughput due to vmpressure with swap enabled
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 13:07:25 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y4T43Tc54vlKjTN0@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABWYdi0qhWs56WK=k+KoQBAMh+Tb6Rr0nY4kJN+E5YqfGhKTmQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 05:28:24PM -0800, Ivan Babrou wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 2:11 PM Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 12:05 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 04:53:43PM -0800, Ivan Babrou wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > We have observed a negative TCP throughput behavior from the following commit:
> > > >
> > > > * 8e8ae645249b mm: memcontrol: hook up vmpressure to socket pressure
> > > >
> > > > It landed back in 2016 in v4.5, so it's not exactly a new issue.
> > > >
> > > > The crux of the issue is that in some cases with swap present the
> > > > workload can be unfairly throttled in terms of TCP throughput.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the detailed analysis, Ivan.
> > >
> > > Originally, we pushed back on sockets only when regular page reclaim
> > > had completely failed and we were about to OOM. This patch was an
> > > attempt to be smarter about it and equalize pressure more smoothly
> > > between socket memory, file cache, anonymous pages.
> > >
> > > After a recent discussion with Shakeel, I'm no longer quite sure the
> > > kernel is the right place to attempt this sort of balancing. It kind
> > > of depends on the workload which type of memory is more imporant. And
> > > your report shows that vmpressure is a flawed mechanism to implement
> > > this, anyway.
> > >
> > > So I'm thinking we should delete the vmpressure thing, and go back to
> > > socket throttling only if an OOM is imminent. This is in line with
> > > what we do at the system level: sockets get throttled only after
> > > reclaim fails and we hit hard limits. It's then up to the users and
> > > sysadmin to allocate a reasonable amount of buffers given the overall
> > > memory budget.
> > >
> > > Cgroup accounting, limiting and OOM enforcement is still there for the
> > > socket buffers, so misbehaving groups will be contained either way.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Something like the below patch?
> >
> > The idea sounds very reasonable to me. I can't really speak for the
> > patch contents with any sort of authority, but it looks ok to my
> > non-expert eyes.
> >
> > There were some conflicts when cherry-picking this into v5.15. I think
> > the only real one was for the "!sc->proactive" condition not being
> > present there. For the rest I just accepted the incoming change.
> >
> > I'm going to be away from my work computer until December 5th, but
> > I'll try to expedite my backported patch to a production machine today
> > to confirm that it makes the difference. If I can get some approvals
> > on my internal PRs, I should be able to provide the results by EOD
> > tomorrow.
>
> I tried the patch and something isn't right here.
Thanks for giving it a sping.
> With the patch applied I'm capped at ~120MB/s, which is a symptom of a
> clamped window.
>
> I can't find any sockets with memcg->socket_pressure = 1, but at the
> same time I only see the following rcv_ssthresh assigned to sockets:
Hm, I don't see how socket accounting would alter the network behavior
other than through socket_pressure=1.
How do you look for that flag? If you haven't yet done something
comparable, can you try with tracing to rule out sampling errors?
diff --git a/mm/memcontrol.c b/mm/memcontrol.c
index 066166aebbef..134b623bee6a 100644
--- a/mm/memcontrol.c
+++ b/mm/memcontrol.c
@@ -7211,6 +7211,7 @@ bool mem_cgroup_charge_skmem(struct mem_cgroup *memcg, unsigned int nr_pages,
goto success;
}
memcg->socket_pressure = 1;
+ trace_printk("skmem charge failed nr_pages=%u gfp=%pGg\n", nr_pages, &gfp_mask);
if (gfp_mask & __GFP_NOFAIL) {
try_charge(memcg, gfp_mask, nr_pages);
goto success;
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-28 18:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-22 0:53 Ivan Babrou
2022-11-22 18:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2022-11-22 18:11 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-11-22 18:23 ` Eric Dumazet
2022-11-22 18:59 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-22 19:05 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-11-22 19:08 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-22 19:46 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-22 20:05 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-23 0:44 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-23 21:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-11-24 1:18 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-24 1:29 ` Yu Zhao
2022-11-22 20:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-11-22 22:11 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-11-23 1:28 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-11-28 18:07 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2022-12-05 19:28 ` Shakeel Butt
2022-12-05 23:57 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-12-06 0:50 ` Ivan Babrou
2022-12-06 19:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-12-06 19:13 ` Eric Dumazet
2022-12-06 20:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-12-06 23:10 ` Shakeel Butt
2022-12-07 12:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-12-08 0:31 ` Shakeel Butt
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