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dkim=pass header.d=suse.com header.s=susede1 header.b="GOfRQdi/"; spf=pass (imf20.hostedemail.com: domain of mhocko@suse.com designates 195.135.220.28 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mhocko@suse.com; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=suse.com X-Stat-Signature: cfqqsw1ubh8arwabigpbwc1bewjfg4xd X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 701621C000C X-Rspamd-Server: rspam07 X-Rspam-User: X-HE-Tag: 1666857695-211655 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Thu 27-10-22 15:39:00, Huang, Ying wrote: > Michal Hocko writes: > > > On Thu 27-10-22 14:47:22, Huang, Ying wrote: > >> Michal Hocko writes: > > [...] > >> > I can imagine workloads which wouldn't like to get their memory demoted > >> > for some reason but wouldn't it be more practical to tell that > >> > explicitly (e.g. via prctl) rather than configuring cpusets/memory > >> > policies explicitly? > >> > >> If my understanding were correct, prctl() configures the process or > >> thread. > > > > Not necessarily. There are properties which are per adddress space like > > PR_[GS]ET_THP_DISABLE. This could be very similar. > > > >> How can we get process/thread configuration at demotion time? > > > > As already pointed out in previous emails. You could hook into > > folio_check_references path, more specifically folio_referenced_one > > where you have all that you need already - all vmas mapping the page and > > then it is trivial to get the corresponding vm_mm. If at least one of > > them has the flag set then the demotion is not allowed (essentially the > > same model as VM_LOCKED). > > Got it! Thanks for detailed explanation. > > One bit may be not sufficient. For example, if we want to avoid or > control cross-socket demotion and still allow demoting to slow memory > nodes in local socket, we need to specify a node mask to exclude some > NUMA nodes from demotion targets. Isn't this something to be configured on the demotion topology side? Or do you expect there will be per process/address space usecases? I mean different processes running on the same topology, one requesting local demotion while other ok with the whole demotion topology? > >From overhead point of view, this appears similar as that of VMA/task > memory policy? We can make mm->owner available for memory tiers > (CONFIG_NUMA && CONFIG_MIGRATION). The advantage is that we don't need > to introduce new ABI. I guess users may prefer to use `numactl` than a > new ABI? mm->owner is a wrong direction. It doesn't have a strong meaning because there is no one task explicitly responsible for the mm so there is no real owner (our clone() semantic is just to permissive for that). The memcg::owner is a crude and ugly hack and it should go away over time rather than build new uses. Besides that, and as I have already tried to explain, per task demotion policy is what makes this whole thing expensive. So this better be a per mm or per vma property. Whether it is a on/off knob like PR_[GS]ET_THP_DISABLE or there are explicit requirements for fine grain control on the vma level I dunno. I haven't seen those usecases yet and it is really easy to overengineer this. To be completely honest I would much rather wait for those usecases before adding a more complex APIs. PR_[GS]_DEMOTION_DISABLED sounds like a reasonable first step. Should we have more fine grained requirements wrt address space I would follow the MADV_{NO}HUGEPAGE lead. If we really need/want to give a fine grained control over demotion nodemask then we would have to go with vma->mempolicy interface. In any case a per process on/off knob sounds like a reasonable first step before we learn more about real usecases. -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs