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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>
Cc: Isaac Manjarres <isaacmanjarres@google.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/10] crypto: Use ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN instead of ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:25:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y0mNek2pRpXexZxX@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGETcx8SZ8XjyTveh2iWiHK09iOpU_fsOkFcBL_EG4Qp93A_wA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 11:58:22AM -0700, Saravana Kannan wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 9:57 AM Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com> wrote:
> > > If so, would there be concerns that the memory savings we get back from
> > > reducing the memory footprint of kmalloc might be defeated by how much
> > > memory is needed for bounce buffering?
> >
> > It's not necessarily about the saved memory but also locality of the
> > small buffer allocations, less cache and TLB pressure.
> 
> Part of the pushback we get when we try to move some of the Android
> ecosystem from 32-bit to 64-bit is the memory usage increase. So,
> while the main goal might not be memory savings, it'll be good to keep
> that in mind too. I'd definitely not want this patch series to make
> things worse. Ideally, it'd make things better. 10MB is considered a
> lot on some of the super low speced devices.

Well, we can still add the option to skip allocating from the small
kmalloc caches if there's no swiotlb available.

> > I wonder whether swiotlb is actually the best option for bouncing
> > unaligned buffers. We could use something like mempool_alloc() instead
> > if we stick to small buffers rather than any (even large) buffer that's
> > not aligned to a cache line. Or just go for kmem_cache_alloc() directly.
> > A downside is that we may need GFP_ATOMIC for such allocations, so
> > higher risk of failure.
> 
> Yeah, a temporary kmem_cache_alloc() to bounce buffers off of feels
> like a better idea than swiotlb. Especially for small allocations (say
> 8 byte allocations) that might have gone into the kmem-cache-64 if we
> hadn't dropped KMALLOC_MIN_ALIGN to 8.

I now remembered why this isn't trivial. On the dma_unmap_*() side, we
can't easily tell whether the buffer was bounced and it needs freeing.
The swiotlb solves this by checking whether the address is within the
pre-allocated swiotlb range. With kmem_caches, we could dig into the
slab internals and check whether the pointer is part of a slab page,
then check with kmem_cache that was. It looks too complicated and I'm
rather tempted to just go for swiotlb if available or prevent the
creation of small kmalloc caches if no swiotlb (TBH, even the initial
series was an improvement dropping KMALLOC_MIN_ALIGN from 128 to 64).

-- 
Catalin


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-14 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-05 13:57 [PATCH 00/10] mm, arm64: Reduce ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN below the cache line size Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm/slab: Decouple ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN from ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 23:59   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-06  8:53     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]     ` <CAK8P3a1K0=jwYEHVu=X7oAWk9dzaOYAdFsidwVRKCJVReSV3+g@mail.gmail.com>
2022-04-06 12:09       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-08  6:42   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-08  9:06     ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-08  9:11     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-11 10:37   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-11 14:02     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 02/10] drivers/base: Use ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN instead of ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN Catalin Marinas
2022-04-11 14:57   ` Andy Shevchenko
2022-04-11 17:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 03/10] drivers/gpu: " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 04/10] drivers/md: " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 05/10] drivers/spi: " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 14:05   ` Mark Brown
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 06/10] drivers/usb: " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 07/10] crypto: " Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 22:57   ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-06  6:53     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-06  8:49       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-06  9:41         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-07  4:30         ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-07 11:01           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07 11:40             ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-07 16:28               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-08  3:25                 ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-08  9:04                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-08  9:11                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-12  9:32                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-12  9:40                         ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-12 10:02                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-12 10:18                             ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-12 12:31                               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-12 22:01                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-13  8:47                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-13 19:53                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-04-14  5:38                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-04-14 13:52                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-14 14:27                                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-04-14 14:36                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-14 14:52                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2022-04-14 15:01                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-14 15:10                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-14 19:49                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-14 22:25                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-04-15  6:03                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15 11:09                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-16  9:42                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-20 19:07                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-20 19:33                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-04-14 14:30                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15  6:51                                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-15  7:49                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15  7:51                                         ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-15  8:05                                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15  8:12                                             ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-15  9:51                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15 10:04                                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15 10:12                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-15 10:22                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15 10:45                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-15 11:38                                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-17  8:08                                                         ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-17  8:31                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-17  8:35                                                             ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-17  8:50                                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-17  8:58                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-17 16:30                                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-18  8:37                                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-18  9:19                                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-18 16:44                                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-19 21:50                                                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-20 10:36                                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-20 11:29                                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-21  7:20                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-21  7:36                                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-21  7:44                                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-21  8:05                                                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-21 11:06                                                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 12:28                                                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-21 13:25                                                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 13:47                                                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-04-21 14:44                                                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-21 14:47                                                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-10 11:03                                                                       ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] crypto: Add helpers for allocating with DMA alignment Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] crypto: Prepare to move crypto_tfm_ctx Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] crypto: api - Add crypto_tfm_ctx_dma Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 17:10                                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-05-12  3:57                                                                             ` Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] crypto: aead - Add ctx helpers with DMA alignment Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] crypto: hash " Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] crypto: skcipher " Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] crypto: api - Increase MAX_ALGAPI_ALIGNMASK to 127 Herbert Xu
2022-05-10 11:07                                                                         ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] crypto: caam - Explicitly request DMA alignment Herbert Xu
2022-04-15 12:18                                             ` [PATCH 07/10] crypto: Use ARCH_DMA_MINALIGN instead of ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN Catalin Marinas
2022-04-15 12:25                                               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-04-15  9:51                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-15 12:31                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-17  8:11                                               ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-17  8:38                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-17  8:43                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2022-04-17 16:29                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-07-15 22:23                                                       ` Isaac Manjarres
2022-07-16  3:25                                                         ` Herbert Xu
2022-07-18 17:53                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-09-21  0:47                                                             ` Isaac Manjarres
2022-09-30 18:32                                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2022-09-30 19:35                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-01 22:29                                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-10-02 17:00                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-02 22:08                                                                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-10-02 22:24                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-03 17:39                                                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2022-10-12 17:45                                                                 ` Isaac Manjarres
2022-10-13 16:57                                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-10-13 18:58                                                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2022-10-14 16:25                                                                       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2022-10-14 20:23                                                                         ` Saravana Kannan
2022-10-14 20:44                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-16 21:37                                                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-12 10:20                             ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07  6:14   ` Muchun Song
2022-04-07  9:25     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07 10:00       ` Muchun Song
2022-04-07 11:06         ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm/slab: Allow dynamic kmalloc() minimum alignment Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07  3:46   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-07  8:50     ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07  9:18       ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-07  9:35         ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07 12:26           ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-11 11:55   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm/slab: Simplify create_kmalloc_cache() args and make it static Catalin Marinas
2022-04-05 13:57 ` [PATCH 10/10] arm64: Enable dynamic kmalloc() minimum alignment Catalin Marinas
2022-04-07 14:40 ` [PATCH 00/10] mm, arm64: Reduce ARCH_KMALLOC_MINALIGN below the cache line size Vlastimil Babka
2022-04-07 17:48   ` Catalin Marinas
2022-04-08 14:37     ` Vlastimil Babka

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