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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
Cc: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@gmail.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Yin, Fengwei" <fengwei.yin@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Folio mapcount
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 16:44:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+J/8P43rgEbUjFJ@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8325B718-5179-43F8-B211-26D8DEBF77C2@nvidia.com>

On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 11:19:40AM -0500, Zi Yan wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2023, at 10:31, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 07:45:17PM -0800, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> >> On 01/24/23 18:13, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >>> Once we get to the part of the folio journey where we have
> >>> one-pointer-per-page, we can't afford to maintain per-page state.
> >>> Currently we maintain a per-page mapcount, and that will have to go.
> >>> We can maintain extra state for a multi-page folio, but it has to be a
> >>> constant amount of extra state no matter how many pages are in the folio.
> >>>
> >>> My proposal is that we maintain a single mapcount per folio, and its
> >>> definition is the number of (vma, page table) tuples which have a
> >>> reference to any pages in this folio.
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew, finally took a look at this.  Can you clarify your definition of
> >> 'page table' here?  I think you are talking about all the entries within
> >> one page table page?  Is that correct?  It certainly makes sense in this
> >> context.
> >>
> >> I have always thought of page table as the entire tree structure starting at
> >> *pgd in the mm_struct.  So, I was a bit confused.  But, I now see elsewhere
> >> that 'page table' may refer to either.
> >
> > Yes, we're pretty sloppy about that.  What I had in mind was:
> >
> > We have a large folio which is mapped at, say, (1.9MB - 2.1MB) in the
> > user address space.  There are thus multiple PTEs which map it and some
> > of those PTEs belong to one PMD and the rest belong to a second PMD.
> > It has a mapcount of 2 due to being mapped by PTE entries belonging to
> > two PMD tables.  If it were mapped at (2.1-2.3MB), it would have a
> > mapcount of 1 due to all its PTEs belonging to a single PMD table.
> 
> What is the logic of using PMD as the basic counting unit? Why not use
> PTE or PUG? I just cannot understand the goal of doing this.

Locking and contiguity.  If we try to map a folio across a PMD boundary,
we have to have the PTL on both PMDs at the same time (or all PMDs if we
support folios larger than PMD_SIZE).  Then we have to make two (or more)
calls to set_ptes() to populate all the PTEs (so that arches don't have
to handle "Oh, I reached the end of the PMD, move to the next one").

Note that I've decided this approach doesn't work because it can't
easily tell us "Am I the only VMA which has this folio mapped?"
But this was the reason.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-07 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-24 18:13 Matthew Wilcox
2023-01-24 18:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:37   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:35 ` Yang Shi
2023-02-02  3:45 ` Mike Kravetz
2023-02-02 15:31   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-07 16:19     ` Zi Yan
2023-02-07 16:44       ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2023-02-06 20:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-06 22:55   ` Yang Shi
2023-02-06 23:09     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-07  3:06   ` Yin, Fengwei
2023-02-07  4:08     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-07 22:39   ` Peter Xu
2023-02-07 23:27     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-08 19:40       ` Peter Xu
2023-02-08 20:25         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-08 20:58           ` Peter Xu
2023-02-09 15:10             ` Chih-En Lin
2023-02-09 15:43               ` Peter Xu
2023-02-07 22:56   ` James Houghton
2023-02-07 23:08     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-07 23:27       ` James Houghton
2023-02-07 23:35         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-08  0:35           ` James Houghton
2023-02-08  2:26             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-07 16:23 ` Zi Yan
2023-02-07 16:51   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-08 19:36     ` Zi Yan
2023-02-08 19:54       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-10 15:15         ` Zi Yan
2023-03-29 14:02         ` Yin, Fengwei
2023-07-01  1:17           ` Zi Yan
2023-07-02  9:50             ` Yin, Fengwei
2023-07-02 11:45               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-02 12:26                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-03 20:54                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-02 19:51                 ` Zi Yan
2023-07-03  1:09                   ` Yin, Fengwei
2023-07-03 13:24                     ` Zi Yan
2023-07-03 20:46                       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-07-04  1:22                       ` Yin, Fengwei
2023-07-04  2:25                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-03 21:09                   ` David Hildenbrand
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-15 21:55 folio mapcount Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-16  9:37 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-12-16 13:56   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-16 15:19     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-16 15:54       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-16 16:45         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-16 17:01         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-16 18:56     ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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