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From: Gregory Price <gregory.price@memverge.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/18] dax: Assign RAM regions to memory-hotplug by default
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 12:26:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+E4UGJhKXIj7ssm@memverge.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <167564544513.847146.4645646177864365755.stgit@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com>

On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 05:04:05PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> The default mode for device-dax instances is backwards for RAM-regions
> as evidenced by the fact that it tends to catch end users by surprise.
> "Where is my memory?". Recall that platforms are increasingly shipping
> with performance-differentiated memory pools beyond typical DRAM and
> NUMA effects. This includes HBM (high-bandwidth-memory) and CXL (dynamic
> interleave, varied media types, and future fabric attached
> possibilities).
> 
> For this reason the EFI_MEMORY_SP (EFI Special Purpose Memory => Linux
> 'Soft Reserved') attribute is expected to be applied to all memory-pools
> that are not the general purpose pool. This designation gives an
> Operating System a chance to defer usage of a memory pool until later in
> the boot process where its performance properties can be interrogated
> and administrator policy can be applied.
> 
> 'Soft Reserved' memory can be anything from too limited and precious to
> be part of the general purpose pool (HBM), too slow to host hot kernel
> data structures (some PMEM media), or anything in between. However, in
> the absence of an explicit policy, the memory should at least be made
> usable by default. The current device-dax default hides all
> non-general-purpose memory behind a device interface.
> 
> The expectation is that the distribution of users that want the memory
> online by default vs device-dedicated-access by default follows the
> Pareto principle. A small number of enlightened users may want to do
> userspace memory management through a device, but general users just
> want the kernel to make the memory available with an option to get more
> advanced later.
> 
> Arrange for all device-dax instances not backed by PMEM to default to
> attaching to the dax_kmem driver. From there the baseline memory hotplug
> policy (CONFIG_MEMORY_HOTPLUG_DEFAULT_ONLINE / memhp_default_state=)
> gates whether the memory comes online or stays offline. Where, if it
> stays offline, it can be reliably converted back to device-mode where it
> can be partitioned, or fronted by a userspace allocator.
> 
> So, if someone wants device-dax instances for their 'Soft Reserved'
> memory:
> 
> 1/ Build a kernel with CONFIG_MEMORY_HOTPLUG_DEFAULT_ONLINE=n or boot
>    with memhp_default_state=offline, or roll the dice and hope that the
>    kernel has not pinned a page in that memory before step 2.
> 
> 2/ Write a udev rule to convert the target dax device(s) from
>    'system-ram' mode to 'devdax' mode:
> 
>    daxctl reconfigure-device $dax -m devdax -f
> 
> Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>

Stupid question: when defaulting to online, do these devices get placed
into Zone Normal?  Is there a way for us, at a minimum, to online this
as Zone Moveable in an effort to assist the "hope the kernel has not
pinned a page" problem (and to try to keep kernel resources out of this
zone in general).

If this is covered by a different patch or already set up this way,
ignore me :]

~Gregory


  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-06 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06  1:02 [PATCH 00/18] CXL RAM and the 'Soft Reserved' => 'System RAM' default Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:02 ` [PATCH 01/18] cxl/Documentation: Update references to attributes added in v6.0 Dan Williams
2023-02-06 15:17   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 16:37   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 17:27   ` [PATCH 1/18] " Davidlohr Bueso
2023-02-06 19:15   ` [PATCH 01/18] " Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 21:04   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09  0:20   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:02 ` [PATCH 02/18] cxl/region: Add a mode attribute for regions Dan Williams
2023-02-06 15:46   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 17:47     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 16:39   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 19:16   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 21:05   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09  0:22   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:02 ` [PATCH 03/18] cxl/region: Support empty uuids for non-pmem regions Dan Williams
2023-02-06 15:54   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 18:07     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:22   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 19:35     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-09  0:24   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:02 ` [PATCH 04/18] cxl/region: Validate region mode vs decoder mode Dan Williams
2023-02-06 16:02   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 18:14     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 16:44   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 21:51     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:55       ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 19:23   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 22:16   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09  0:25   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:02 ` [PATCH 05/18] cxl/region: Add volatile region creation support Dan Williams
2023-02-06 16:18   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 18:19     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 16:55   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 21:57     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:56       ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 19:25   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 22:31   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:37     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-09  1:02   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 06/18] cxl/region: Refactor attach_target() for autodiscovery Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:06   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 18:48     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:26   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 22:41   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09  1:09   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 07/18] cxl/region: Move region-position validation to a helper Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:44   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 19:15     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-08 12:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09  4:09     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-09  4:26     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-09 11:07       ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 20:52         ` Dan Williams
2023-02-09 19:45   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 08/18] kernel/range: Uplevel the cxl subsystem's range_contains() helper Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:02   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 22:01     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:28   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-06 23:41   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-08 12:32   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 19:47   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 09/18] cxl/region: Enable CONFIG_CXL_REGION to be toggled Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:03   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 23:57   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-08 12:36   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 20:17   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 10/18] cxl/region: Fix passthrough-decoder detection Dan Williams
2023-02-06  5:38   ` Greg KH
2023-02-06 17:22     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-07  0:00   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-08 12:44   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 20:28   ` Verma, Vishal L
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 11/18] cxl/region: Add region autodiscovery Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:02   ` Ira Weiny
2023-02-07 23:54   ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-08 17:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09  4:07     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 12/18] tools/testing/cxl: Define a fixed volatile configuration to parse Dan Williams
2023-02-08 17:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 20:50     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 13/18] dax/hmem: Move HMAT and Soft reservation probe initcall level Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 14/18] dax/hmem: Drop unnecessary dax_hmem_remove() Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:15   ` Gregory Price
2023-02-08 17:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 15/18] dax/hmem: Convey the dax range via memregion_info() Dan Williams
2023-02-08 17:35   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06  1:03 ` [PATCH 16/18] dax/hmem: Move hmem device registration to dax_hmem.ko Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:04 ` [PATCH 17/18] dax: Assign RAM regions to memory-hotplug by default Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:26   ` Gregory Price [this message]
2023-02-06 22:15     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 19:05       ` Gregory Price
2023-02-06 23:20         ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06  1:04 ` [PATCH 18/18] cxl/dax: Create dax devices for CXL RAM regions Dan Williams
2023-02-06  5:36 ` [PATCH 00/18] CXL RAM and the 'Soft Reserved' => 'System RAM' default Gregory Price
2023-02-06 16:40   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2023-02-06 18:23     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:29   ` Dan Williams
2023-02-06 17:18     ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found] ` <CGME20230208173730uscas1p2af3a9eeb8946dfa607b190c079a49653@uscas1p2.samsung.com>
2023-02-08 17:37   ` Fan Ni
2023-02-09  4:56     ` Dan Williams
2023-02-13 12:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-14 18:45   ` Dan Williams
2023-02-14 18:27 ` Gregory Price
2023-02-14 18:39   ` Dan Williams
2023-02-14 19:01     ` Gregory Price
2023-02-14 21:18       ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 21:51         ` Gregory Price
2023-02-14 21:54           ` Gregory Price
2023-02-15 10:03             ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-18  9:47               ` Gregory Price

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