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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/10] percpu: Wire up cmpxchg128
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 13:14:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+DvI7ai/wuovjER@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+DjULnIxcPU/rtp@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 12:24:00PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> > Unless I have misunderstood what you are doing, my concerns are
> > still the same:
> > 
> > >  #define this_cpu_cmpxchg(pcp, oval, nval) \
> > > -	__pcpu_size_call_return2(this_cpu_cmpxchg_, pcp, oval, nval)
> > > +	__pcpu_size16_call_return2(this_cpu_cmpxchg_, pcp, oval, nval)
> > >  #define this_cpu_cmpxchg_double(pcp1, pcp2, oval1, oval2, nval1, 
> > > nval2) \
> > >  	__pcpu_double_call_return_bool(this_cpu_cmpxchg_double_, pcp1, pcp2, 
> > > oval1, oval2, nval1, nval2)
> > 
> > Having a variable-length this_cpu_cmpxchg() that turns into cmpxchg128()
> > and cmpxchg64() even on CPUs where this traps (!X86_FEATURE_CX16) seems
> > like a bad design to me.
> > 
> > I would much prefer fixed-length this_cpu_cmpxchg64()/this_cpu_cmpxchg128()
> > calls that never trap but fall back to the generic version on CPUs that
> > are lacking the atomics.
> 
> You're thinking acidental usage etc..? Lemme see what I can do.

So lookng at this I remember why I did it like this, currently 32bit
archs silently fall back to the generics for most/all 64bit ops.

And personally I would just as soon drop support for the
!X86_FEATURE_CX* cpus... :/ Those are some serious museum pieces.

One problem with silent downgrades like this is that semantics vs NMI
change, which makes for subtle bugs on said museum pieces.

Basically, using 64bit percpu ops on 32bit is already somewhat dangerous
-- wiring up native cmpxchg64 support in that case seemed an
improvement.

Anyway... let me get on with doing explicit
{raw,this}_cpu_cmpxchg{64,128}() thingies.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-06 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-02 14:50 [PATCH v2 00/10] Introduce cmpxchg128() -- aka. the demise of cmpxchg_double() Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] cyrpto/b128ops: Remove struct u128 Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 20:21   ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] types: Introduce [us]128 Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] arch: Introduce arch_{,try_}_cmpxchg128{,_local}() Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 17:04   ` Heiko Carstens
2023-02-03 16:52   ` Mark Rutland
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] instrumentation: Wire up cmpxchg128() Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-03 16:55   ` Mark Rutland
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] percpu: Wire up cmpxchg128 Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 17:05   ` Heiko Carstens
2023-02-03 17:02   ` Mark Rutland
2023-02-03 17:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-06 11:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-06 12:14       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-02-06 12:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-06 13:20           ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-06 12:19       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] x86,amd_iommu: Replace cmpxchg_double() Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] x86,intel_iommu: " Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-03  2:51   ` Baolu Lu
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] slub: " Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 13:31   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] arch: Remove cmpxchg_double Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-08 13:44   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-02-02 14:50 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] s390/cpum_sf: Convert to cmpxchg128() Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-02 17:05   ` Heiko Carstens
2023-02-02 19:39 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Introduce cmpxchg128() -- aka. the demise of cmpxchg_double() Linus Torvalds
2023-02-02 22:45   ` David Laight

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