From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7BFC56202 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kanga.kvack.org (kanga.kvack.org [205.233.56.17]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8FC20857 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="fFTiyRf+" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org EA8FC20857 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=linuxfoundation.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) id 2D79F6B005C; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 04:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 40) id 287556B006C; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 04:32:19 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: int-list-linux-mm@kvack.org Received: by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix, from userid 63042) id 176FF6B006E; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 04:32:19 -0500 (EST) X-Delivered-To: linux-mm@kvack.org Received: from forelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0089.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.89]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60D66B005C for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 04:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpin11.hostedemail.com (10.5.19.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.19.251]) by forelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91214180AD806 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:18 +0000 (UTC) X-FDA: 77497023156.11.bit27_50171f327339 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (10.5.16.251.rfc1918.com [10.5.16.251]) by smtpin11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73685180F8B81 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:18 +0000 (UTC) X-HE-Tag: bit27_50171f327339 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 4779 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by imf34.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [89.205.136.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 651A320855; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:32:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1605691936; bh=z9AARqxEifx27ZSfSqyQtp5/QTEI/AENwIGCm/wc71c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=fFTiyRf+lNKL9ST4txcSeaDrCIqy8sGZqtdcsNAnsGly1+5GYCQkd5b0dJtsVNXW7 Ty+UOKz4POaIjvZvW72SkGo52lChY2pkhIjug9dEhWmDqtz52fKjvNwDSvPQKw5/EX XjQbNqUIRf7iTd7GfCLBQpWa8uhdec/9xDR/QuiU= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 10:32:12 +0100 From: Greg KH To: Jan Beulich Cc: Christoph Hellwig , Tejun Heo , Josef Bacik , Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk , Coly Li , Mike Snitzer , dm-devel@redhat.com, Richard Weinberger , Jan Kara , linux-block@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, Jens Axboe Subject: Re: merge struct block_device and struct hd_struct Message-ID: References: <20201118084800.2339180-1-hch@lst.de> <22ca5396-0253-f286-9eab-d417b2e0b3ad@suse.com> <20201118085804.GA20384@lst.de> <1ded2079-f1be-6d5d-01df-65754447df78@suse.com> <61044f85-cd41-87b5-3f41-36e3dffb6f2a@suse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61044f85-cd41-87b5-3f41-36e3dffb6f2a@suse.com> X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 10:23:51AM +0100, Jan Beulich wrote: > On 18.11.2020 10:09, Greg KH wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 10:04:04AM +0100, Jan Beulich wrote: > >> On 18.11.2020 09:58, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 09:56:11AM +0100, Jan Beulich wrote: > >>>> since this isn't the first series from you recently spamming > >>>> xen-devel, may I ask that you don't Cc entire series to lists > >>>> which are involved with perhaps just one out of the many patches? > >>>> IMO Cc lists should be compiled on a per-patch basis; the cover > >>>> letter may of course be sent to the union of all of them. > >>> > >>> No way. Individual CCs are completely broken as they don't provide > >>> the reviewer a context. > >> > >> That's the view of some people, but not all. Context can be easily > >> established by those who care going to one of the many archives on > >> which the entire series lands. Getting spammed, however, can't be > >> avoided by the dozens or hundreds of list subscribers. > > > > kernel patches are never "spam", sorry, but for developers to try to > > determine which lists/maintainers want to see the whole series and which > > do not is impossible. > > > > Patches in a series are easily deleted from sane mail clients with a > > single click/keystroke all at once, they aren't a problem that needs to > > be reduced in volume. > > This doesn't scale, neither in the dimension of recipients nor in > the dimension of possible sources of such series. Again, trying to figure out what subsystem does, and does not, want stuff like this does not scale either. Remember, we had 4000 developers last year, how are you going to tell all of them what the special rules are for your subsystem and how they differ from any other subsystem? And why does it matter? We are all working on the same project, why wouldn't you want to see core block device handling patches? What hurts with that, someone might notice something in one of them that a different developer did not. > While it may seem small, it's also a waste of resources to have mails > sent to hundreds of even thousands of people. So while from a > technical content perspective I surely agree with you saying 'kernel > patches are never "spam"', they still are from the perspective of > what "spam mail" originally means: Mail the recipients did not want > to receive. Anyone on a kernel subsystem mailing list should expect to see kernel patches, that's part of the process, and always has been. Kernel subsystems are not silos, people on them should be aware of what else is going on in order to stay informed. And again, if it's a huge problem, one click/keystroke and they are gone, no waste. thanks, greg k-h