From: Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
vedran.furac@gmail.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
rientjes@google.com, aarcange@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: Memory overcommit
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0910271821130.11372@sister.anvils> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091027164526.da6a23cb.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> Now, oom-killer's score uses mm->total_vm as its base value.
> But, in these days, applications like GUI program tend to use
> much shared libraries and total_vm grows too high even when
> pages are not fully mapped.
>
> For example, running a program "mmap" which allocates 1 GBbytes of
> anonymous memory, oom_score top 10 on system will be..
>
> score PID name
> 89924 3938 mixer_applet2
> 90210 3942 tomboy
> 94753 3936 clock-applet
> 101994 3919 pulseaudio
> 113525 4028 gnome-terminal
> 127340 1 init
> 128177 3871 nautilus
> 151003 11515 bash
> 256944 11653 mmap <-----------------use 1G of anon
> 425561 3829 gnome-session
>
> No one believes gnome-session is more guilty than "mmap".
>
> Instead of total_vm, we should use anon/file/swap usage of a process, I think.
> This patch adds mm->swap_usage and calculate oom_score based on
> anon_rss + file_rss + swap_usage.
> Considering usual applications, this will be much better information than
> total_vm. After this patch, the score on my desktop is
>
> score PID name
> 4033 3176 gnome-panel
> 4077 3113 xinit
> 4526 3190 python
> 4820 3161 gnome-settings-
> 4989 3289 gnome-terminal
> 7105 3271 tomboy
> 8427 3177 nautilus
> 17549 3140 gnome-session
> 128501 3299 bash
> 256106 3383 mmap
>
> This order is not bad, I think.
>
> Note: This adss new counter...then new cost is added.
I've often thought we ought to supply such a swap_usage statistic;
and show it in /proc/pid/statsomething, presumably VmSwap in
/proc/pid/status, even an additional field on the end of statm.
A slight new cost, yes: doesn't matter at the swapping end, but
would slightly impact fork and exit - I do hope we can afford it,
because I think it should have been available all along.
I've not checked your patch in detail; but I do agree that basing
OOM (physical memory) decisions on total_vm (virtual memory) has
seemed weird, so it's well worth trying this approach. Whether swap
should be included along with rss isn't quite clear to me: I'm not
saying you're wrong, not at all, just that it's not quite obvious.
I've several observations to make about bad OOM kill decisions,
but it's probably better that I make them in the original
"Memory overcommit" thread, rather than divert this thread.
Hugh
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2009-10-20 21:52 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-26 1:55 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-26 16:16 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 3:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 6:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 6:34 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 6:36 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 6:55 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 7:45 ` [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 7:56 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 12:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28 0:22 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28 0:45 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 7:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 8:14 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 8:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 8:52 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 8:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 17:41 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 0:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 18:39 ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2009-10-27 18:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28 0:32 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-05 19:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-28 0:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 6:46 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 6:56 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 17:12 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 18:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 18:30 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 20:44 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-27 21:04 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 0:08 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 0:25 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 0:39 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 4:08 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 4:55 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28 5:13 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 6:05 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28 6:17 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 6:20 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29 8:38 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:11 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:53 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 23:48 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30 9:10 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30 9:36 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-03 20:49 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 0:50 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04 1:58 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 2:17 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04 3:10 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04 3:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30 13:59 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 19:24 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:58 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 13:28 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 20:10 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 3:05 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 8:35 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:01 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:42 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30 13:53 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:08 ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-30 15:13 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 14:41 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 15:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 16:24 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-11-02 19:56 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 19:44 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:56 ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 0:43 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28 2:47 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28 3:17 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28 4:12 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 8:10 ` Hugh Dickins
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