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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <daniel.raymond.phillips@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:46:30 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708101041040.12758@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a5909270708100115v4ad10c4es697d216edf29b07d@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Daniel Phillips wrote:

> It is quite clear what is in your patch.  Instead of just grabbing a
> page off the buddy free lists in a critical allocation situation you
> go invoke shrink_caches.  Why oh why?  All the memory needed to get

Because we get to the code of interest when we have no memory on the 
buddy free lists and need to reclaim memory to fill them up again.

> You do not do anything to prevent mixing of ordinary slab allocations
> of unknown duration with critical allocations of controlled duration.
>  This  is _very important_ for sk_alloc.  How are you going to take
> care of that?

It is not necessary because you can reclaim memory as needed.

> There are certainly improvements that can be made to the posted patch
> set.  Running off and learning from scratch how to do this is not
> really helpful.

The idea of adding code to deal with "I have no memory" situations 
in a kernel that based on have as much memory as possible in use at all 
times is plainly the wrong approach. If you need memory then memory needs 
to be reclaimed. That is the basic way that things work and following that 
through brings about a much less invasive solution without all the issues 
that the proposed solution creates.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-10 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 10:29 [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm: gfp_to_alloc_flags() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 02/10] mm: system wide ALLOC_NO_WATERMARK Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:21     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:43         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:11         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:42       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:48         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:51           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:15             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 20:12             ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 21:05                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 22:59                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 23:14                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 23:49                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 22:18                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08 18:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  7:37                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-08 18:09                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 18:41                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-09 18:49                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  0:17                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  1:48                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  3:34                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  3:48                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-10  8:15                                             ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10 17:46                                               ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2007-08-10 23:25                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13  6:55                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-13 23:04                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 20:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 23:16                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 22:47                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm: tag reseve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:13     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:34     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 18:43       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 19:09             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:10             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-06 19:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 19:38               ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-06 20:18               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: slub: add knowledge of reserve pages Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-08  0:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08  1:44     ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-08 17:13       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 17:39         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-08 17:57           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-08 18:46             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-10  1:54               ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-10  2:01                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20  7:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  7:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:12     ` Pekka J Enberg
2007-08-20  9:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-20  9:28         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-08-20 19:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-20 20:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: allow mempool to fall back to memalloc reserves Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: kmem_estimate_pages() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: allow PF_MEMALLOC from softirq context Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: serialize access to min_free_kbytes Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: emergency pool Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 10:29 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: __GFP_MEMALLOC Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 17:35 ` [PATCH 00/10] foundations for reserve-based allocation Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 18:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 18:40     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:31     ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 19:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 19:53         ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-06 17:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-06 18:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-06 20:23 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-07  0:09   ` Daniel Phillips

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