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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: Switch to SPARSE_VIRTUAL
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:54:21 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0704020851300.30394@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200704021744.39880.ak@suse.de>

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Andi Kleen wrote:

> > Correct. 2MB worth of struct page is 128 mb of memory. Are there nodes 
> > with smaller amounts of memory? 
> 
> Yes the discontigmem minimum is 64MB and there are some setups
> (mostly with numa emulation) where you end up with nodes that small.

Ok. Then I guess we cannot remove discontigmem.
 
> BTW there is no guarantee the node size is a multiple of 128MB so
> you likely need to handle the overlap case. Otherwise we can 
> get cache corruptions

How does sparsemem handle that?

> Sparsemem is still quite experimental; discontigmem is the default
> on x86-64.

Ok more fodder for preserving the choice.

> > > Do you have any benchmarks numbers to prove it? There seem to be a few
> > > benchmarks where the discontig virt_to_page is a problem
> > > (although I know ways to make it more efficient), and sparsemem
> > > is normally slower. Still some numbers would be good.
> > 
> > You want a benchmark to prove that the removal of memory references and 
> > code improves performance?
> 
> You're just moving them into MMU, not really removing it.  And need more TLB entries.

No no no. For the gazillions time: All of 1-1 mapped kernel memory on 
x86_64 needs a 2 MB page table entry. The virtual memmap uses the same. 
There are *no* additional TLBs used.

> It might be faster or it might not. There are some unexpected issues, like most x86-64 
> CPUs have a quite small number of large TLBs so you can get thrashing etc.
> 
> So numbers with TLB intensive workloads would be good. 

You did not read the descriptions. Sigh.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-02 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-01  7:10 [PATCH 1/2] Generic Virtual Memmap suport for SPARSEMEM Christoph Lameter
2007-04-01  7:10 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: Switch to SPARSE_VIRTUAL Christoph Lameter
2007-04-01  7:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-01 10:46   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 15:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 15:44       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 15:51         ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-04-02 15:54         ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2007-04-02 17:14           ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 17:34             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 19:54           ` Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 20:11             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 20:13       ` Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 20:30         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 20:38           ` Martin Bligh
2007-04-02 20:51             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-05 11:50               ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-05 18:27                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-07 22:06                   ` [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: (SPARSE_VIRTUAL doubles sparsemem speed) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-07 22:18                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-09 16:40                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-09 17:16                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-09 18:20                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-02 21:08           ` [PATCH 1/4] x86_64: Switch to SPARSE_VIRTUAL Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 21:28             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 21:43               ` Martin Bligh
2007-04-02 21:56               ` Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 22:29                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 22:31                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 22:37                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 22:41                     ` Martin Bligh
2007-04-02 22:49                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 22:52                         ` Martin Bligh
2007-04-05 12:07                   ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-04 21:27               ` Bob Picco
2007-04-04 22:38                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 23:03       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-02 15:44     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 16:18     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 20:50 ` [PATCH 1/2] Generic Virtual Memmap suport for SPARSEMEM Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 21:00   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 21:22     ` Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 21:31       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 21:42         ` Dave Hansen
2007-04-02 21:53           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-02 22:05             ` Dave Hansen

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