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From: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add __GFP_MOVABLE for callers to flag allocations that may be migrated
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:41:42 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612041133020.32337@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061204113051.4e90b249.akpm@osdl.org>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:

> My concern is that __GFP_MOVABLE is useful for fragmentation-avoidance, but
> useless for memory hot-unplug.  So that if/when hot-unplug comes along
> we'll add more gunk which is a somewhat-superset of the GFP_MOVABLE
> infrastructure, hence we didn't need the GFP_MOVABLE code.  Or something.

It is useless for memory unplug until we implement limits for unmovable 
pages in a zone (per MA_ORDER area? That would fit nicely into the anti 
frag scheme) or until we have logic that makes !GFP_MOVABLE allocations 
fall back to a node that is not removable.

> That depends on how we do hot-unplug, if we do it.  I continue to suspect
> that it'll be done via memory zones: effectively by resurrecting
> GFP_HIGHMEM.  In which case there's little overlap with anti-frag.  (btw, I
> have a suspicion that the most important application of memory hot-unplug
> will be power management: destructively turning off DIMMs).

There are numerous other uses as well (besides DIMM and node unplug):

1. Faulty DIMM isolation
2. Virtual memory managers can reduce memory without resorting to 
   balloons.
3. Physical removal and exchange of memory while a system is running
   (Likely necessary to complement hotplug cpu, cpus usually come
   with memory).

The multi zone approach does not work with NUMA. NUMA only supports a 
single zone for memory policy control etc. Also multiple zones carry with 
it a management overhead that is unnecessary for the MOVABLE/UNMOVABLE
distinction.
 
> perhaps not for the hugetlbpage problem.  Whereas anti-fragmentation adds
> vastly more code, but can address both problems?  Or something.

I'd favor adding full defragmentation.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-04 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-30 17:07 Mel Gorman
2006-12-01  1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-01  9:54   ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-01 19:01     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-04 14:07       ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-04 19:30         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-04 19:41           ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2006-12-04 20:06             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-04 20:17               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-04 21:19                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-04 21:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-04 22:22                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-05 16:00                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 19:25                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-05 20:01                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 21:47                             ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-05 23:33                               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-06  9:31                                 ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-06 17:31                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08  1:21                                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-12-08  2:20                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-08  6:11                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-12-05 18:10                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-04 20:34           ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-04 22:34             ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-04 23:45               ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-05  1:16                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-12-05 10:03                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-05 16:05                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 18:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-05 19:59                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 16:14                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 17:17                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-12-05 19:54                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-12-05 15:52               ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-12-05 15:48             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-12-04 20:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-12-06 14:18             ` Andy Whitcroft

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