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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: Page allocator: Single Zone optimizations
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:37:06 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611022153491.27544@skynet.skynet.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611021345140.9877@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Mel Gorman wrote:
>
>> Ok... list-based anti-frag identified three types of pages. From the leading
>> mail;
>>
>> EasyReclaimable - These are userspace pages that are easily reclaimable. This
>>         flag is set when it is known that the pages will be trivially
>> reclaimed
>>         by writing the page out to swap or syncing with backing storage
>>
>> KernelReclaimable - These are allocations for some kernel caches that are
>>         reclaimable or allocations that are known to be very short-lived.
>>
>> KernelNonReclaimable - These are pages that are allocated by the kernel that
>>         are not trivially reclaimed. For example, the memory allocated for a
>>         loaded module would be in this category. By default, allocations are
>>         considered to be of this type
>>
>> The EasyReclaimable and KernelReclaimable allocations are marked with __GFP
>> flags.
>>
>> Now, you want to separate pages according to movable and unmovable. Broadly
>> speaking, EasyReclaimable == Movable and
>> KernelReclaimable+KernelNonReclaimable == Non-Movable. However, while
>> KernelReclaimable are Non-Movable, they can be reclaimed by purging caches.
>> So, if we redefined the three terms to be Movable, Reclaimable and
>> Non-Movable, you get the separation you are looking for at least within a
>> MAX_ORDER_NR_PAGES.
>
> I think talking about reclaim here is not what you want. defragmentation
> is fundamentally about moving memor not reclaim.

Sure. That is why I called the mechanism anti-fragmentation, not 
defragmentation. However, If reclaimable pages are clustered together, you 
know they are moveable as well. Once the pages are clustered together in 
an intelligent manner, a hypothetical defragmenter would have less work to 
do. Additionally, once the defragmenter starts working, you know it's less 
likely to hit unmovable pages.

> Reclaim is a way of
> evicting pages from memory to avoid the move. This may be useful if memory
> is filled up because defragging can then do what swapping would have to
> do. However, evicting pages means that they have to be reread. Page
> migration can migrate pages at 1GB/sec which is certainly much higher
> than having to reread the page.
>

The reason why anti-frag currently reclaims is because reclaiming was easy 
and happens under memory pressure not because I thought pageout was free. 
As a proof-of-concept, I needed to show that pages clustered on 
reclaimability would free contiguous blocks of pages later. There was no 
point starting with defragmentation when I knew that unmovable pages would 
be with movable pages in the same MAX_ORDER_NR_PAGES block.

> Also I think the reclaim idea breaks down in the following cases:
>
> 1. An mlocked page. This is a page that is movable but not reclaimable.
> How does defrag handle that case right now? It should really move the
> page if necessary.
>

Defrag doesn't exist right now. If anti-frag got some traction, working on 
using page migration to handle movable-but-not-reclaimable pages would be 
the next step. Pages that are mlocked() will have been allocated with 
__GFP_EASYRCLM so will be clustered together with other movable pages.

> 2. There are a number of unreclaimable page types that are easily movable.
> F.e. page table pages are movable if you take a write-lock on mmap_sem
> and handle the tree carefully. These pages again are not reclaimable but
> they are movable.
>

Page tables are currently not allocated with __GFP_EASYRCLM because I knew 
I couldn't reclaim them without killing processes. However, if page 
migration within ranges was implemented, we'd start clustering based on 
movability instead of reclaimability.

> Various caching objects in the slab (cpucache align cache etc) are also
> easily movable. If we put them into a separate slab cache then we could
> make them movable.
>

As subsystems will have pointers to objects within the slab, I doubt they 
are easily movable but I'll take your word on it for the moment.

> Certain Device drivers may be able to shut down intermittendly releasing
> their memory and reallocating it later. This also may be used to move
> memory. Memory allocated by such a device driver is movable.
>

If such a driver existed in the future, their allocations could be marked 
and clustered together with other movable allocations.

> I would suggest to not categorize pages according to their reclaimability
> but according to their movability.

ok, I see your point. However, reclaimability seems a reasonable starting 
point. If I know pages of similar reclaimability are clustered together, I 
can work on using page migration to move pages out of the blocks of known 
reclaimability instead of paging them out. When that works, the __GFP_ 
flags identifying reclaimability can be renamed to marking movability and 
flag page table pages as well. This is a logical progression.

> The decision to evict a page (reclaim)
> is something that may be useful to avoid swap but it may be better to keep
> pages in memory.
>

Agreed, but swapping them out was an easier starting point.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-02 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-17  0:50 Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:10 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-17  1:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:27 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-17  1:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  6:04     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-17 17:54       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-18 11:15         ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 19:38           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 23:08             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-24  1:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-26 22:09               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-26 22:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  1:00                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:24                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:31                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  4:43                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  7:47                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-28 16:12                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-29  0:48                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29  1:04                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-29  1:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29 11:32                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-30 16:41                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 18:26                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 20:34                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:00                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 21:46                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 22:13                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 23:29                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02  0:22                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02  0:27                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 12:45                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 22:10                                         ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 17:37                                           ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 18:08                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 20:58                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:04                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 21:16                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:52                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 22:37                                                   ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2006-11-02 22:50                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03  9:14                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 13:17                                                         ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 18:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 19:06                                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 19:44                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:11                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 21:42                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:50                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 21:53                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:12                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 22:15                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:19                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-04  0:37                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04  1:32                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 16:40                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 16:56                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:00                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:07                                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:12                                                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-11-06 17:15                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:20                                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:26                                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 16:30                                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-07 17:54                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 18:14                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-08  0:29                                                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-11-08  2:08                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-13 21:08                                                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 12:48                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 18:15                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 18:53                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 19:23                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 18:52                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02 21:51                                             ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:03                                             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 22:11                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 18:13                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 17:39                 ` Mel Gorman

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