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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Page allocator: Single Zone optimizations
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 22:13:59 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611012210290.29614@skynet.skynet.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611011255070.14406@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Christoph Lameter wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
>> And hot-unplug isn't actually the interesting application.  Modern Intel
>> memory controllers apparently have (or will have) the ability to power down
>> DIMMs.
>
> Plus one would want to be able to move memory out of an area where we may
> have a bad DIMM. If we monitor soft ECC failures then we could also
> judge a DIMM to be bad if we have a too high soft failure rate.
>

For this, it'd be desirable to be able to marge a range of pages as 
unusable. In the anti-frag patches I posted, I included a mechanism for 
having flags that affected a whole block of pages. One intent in the 
future was to be able to mark a whole block of pages as getting reclaimed 
for the allocation of superpages.

The same mechanism could be used to mark pages as being offlined so you 
could mark a DIMM as offlined and start reclaiming in there knowing it can 
be unplugged some time in the future.

> If there is a hard failure and we can recover (page cache page f.e.)
> then we could preemptively disable the complete DIMM.
>
> I still think that we need to generalize the approach to be
> able to cover as much memory as possible. Remapping can solve some of the
> issues, for others we could add additional ways to make things movable.
> F.e. one could make page table pages movable by adding a back pointer to
> the mm, reclaimable slab pages by adding a move function, driver
> allocations could have a backpointer to the driver that would be able to
> move its memory.

I got the impression that we wouldn't be allowed to introduce such a 
mechanism because driver writers would get it wrong. It was why proper 
defragmentation was never really implemented.

> Hmm.... Maybe generally a way to provide a
> function to move data in the page struct for kernel allocations?
>

As devices are able to get physical addresses which then get pinned for 
IO, it gets messy.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-11-01 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-17  0:50 Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:10 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-17  1:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  1:27 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-17  1:25   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-17  6:04     ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-17 17:54       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-18 11:15         ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 19:38           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 23:08             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-24  1:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-26 22:09               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-26 22:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  1:00                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:12                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  2:24                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  2:31                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-28  4:43                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-28  7:47                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-10-28 16:12                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-29  0:48                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29  1:04                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-29  1:29                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-10-29 11:32                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-30 16:41                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 18:26                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 20:34                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:00                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 21:46                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 21:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-01 22:13                                           ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2006-11-01 23:29                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02  0:22                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02  0:27                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 12:45                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 22:10                                         ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 17:37                                           ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 18:08                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 20:58                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:04                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 21:16                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 21:52                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 22:37                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:50                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03  9:14                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 13:17                                                         ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-03 18:11                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 19:06                                                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 19:44                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:11                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 21:42                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 21:50                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 21:53                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:12                                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 22:15                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 22:19                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-04  0:37                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04  1:32                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 16:40                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 16:56                                                                               ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:00                                                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:07                                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:12                                                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-11-06 17:15                                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-06 17:20                                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-06 17:26                                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 16:30                                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-07 17:54                                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-07 18:14                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-08  0:29                                                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-11-08  2:08                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-13 21:08                                                                     ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-03 12:48                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 18:15                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-03 18:53                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-03 19:23                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-02 18:52                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-02 21:51                                             ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-02 22:03                                             ` Andy Whitcroft
2006-11-02 22:11                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 18:13                           ` Mel Gorman
2006-11-01 17:39                 ` Mel Gorman

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