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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Andy Nelson <andy@thermo.lanl.gov>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, arjan@infradead.org, arjanv@infradead.org,
	haveblue@us.ibm.com, kravetz@us.ibm.com,
	lhms-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mbligh@mbligh.org, mel@csn.ul.ie,
	mingo@elte.hu, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:49:33 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511040943130.27921@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051104170359.80947184684@thermo.lanl.gov>


On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Andy Nelson wrote:
> 
> Ok. In other posts you have skeptically accepted Power as a
> `modern' architecture.

Yes, sceptically.

I'd really like to hear what your numbers are on a modern x86. Any x86-64 
is interesting, and I can't imagine that with a LANL address you can't 
find any.

I do believe that Power is within one order of magnitude of a modern x86 
when it comes to TLB fill performance. That's much better than many 
others, but whether "almost as good" is within the error range, or whether 
it's "only five times worse", I don't know.

The thing is, there's a reason x86 machines kick ass. They are cheap, and 
they really _do_ outperform pretty much everything else out there.

Power 5 has a wonderful memory architecture, and those L3 caches kick ass. 
They probably don't help you as much as they help databases, though, and 
it's entirely possible that a small cheap Opteron with its integrated 
memory controller will outperform them on your load if you really don't 
have a lot of locality.

			Linus

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-04 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 225+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-04 17:03 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-11-04 17:51   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:04   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 21:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 21:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-05  2:48       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-06 10:59       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 21:31     ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-11-04 22:43       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-05  0:07         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-06  1:30         ` Zan Lynx
2005-11-06  2:25           ` Rob Landley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-05  1:52 Seth, Rohit, Friday, November
2005-11-05  1:37 Seth, Rohit, Nick
2005-11-07  0:34 ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 18:58   ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 20:51     ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 20:55       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-07 20:58         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-07 21:20           ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-07 21:33             ` Adam Litke
2005-11-08  2:12         ` David Gibson
2005-11-07 21:11       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-07 21:31         ` Rohit Seth
2005-11-04 21:51 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 17:56 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 15:19 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04  1:00 Andy Nelson
2005-11-04  1:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  1:27   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  5:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  6:10   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  6:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04  7:26       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 15:39         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-06  7:34           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06 15:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 18:18               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-06  8:44         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-11-06 16:12           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-06 17:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07  8:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 11:00                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-07 12:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-07 19:34                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-11-07 23:38                       ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-04  7:44     ` Eric Dumazet
2005-11-07 16:42       ` Adam Litke
2005-11-04 14:56   ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 15:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 15:39       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 16:07         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-04 17:22             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:43               ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:00     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 16:13       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04 17:10           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 16:14       ` Andy Nelson
2005-11-04 16:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-30 18:33 Mel Gorman
2005-10-31  5:57 ` [Lhms-devel] " Mike Kravetz
2005-10-31  6:37   ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31  7:54     ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  7:11       ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 16:19         ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:54           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:28             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:42               ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-31 14:34       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 19:24         ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 19:40           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 23:59             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  1:36               ` Mel Gorman
2005-10-31 23:29         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  0:59           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  1:31             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01  2:07               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01  2:35                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-01 11:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 13:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:10                       ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 14:29                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:49                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:01                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:22                               ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  8:49                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  9:32                                     ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  9:48                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:54                                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03  3:21                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 15:36                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 15:40                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 15:51                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 15:57                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 16:20                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 16:27                                                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 16:46                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 16:52                                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:19                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 17:48                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-03 17:51                                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 17:59                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-03 18:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:17                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 18:44                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 18:51                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:35                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:40                                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 22:56                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:01                                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:58                                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:06                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-04  1:20                                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2005-11-04  1:22                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  1:48                                                                         ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:59                                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  2:35                                                                             ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-04  1:26                                                                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 21:11                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:03                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 20:00                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-03 20:46                                                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 18:48                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 19:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 22:37                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-03 23:16                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-03 23:39                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04  0:42                                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-04  4:39                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04 16:22                                                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-03 15:53                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 14:57                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 16:48                               ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 16:59                                 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2005-11-01 17:19                                 ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  0:32                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 11:22                                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:06                                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-02  7:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02  7:46                                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  8:50                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  9:12                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02  9:37                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 10:17                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 23:47                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  4:43                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03  6:07                                               ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  7:34                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-03 17:54                                                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03 20:13                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:35                                                 ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 16:23                                                   ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-11-03 18:27                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03 18:49                                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04  4:52                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  5:35                                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  5:48                                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:42                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  7:10                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  7:45                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04  8:02                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  9:52                                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-04 15:27                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 15:19                                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-04 17:38                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-04  6:16                                                         ` Bron Nelson
2005-11-02 10:41                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 11:04                                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-02 12:00                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-02 12:42                                           ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02 15:02                                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-11-03  0:10                                             ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02  7:57                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  0:51                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:42                               ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-02  8:24                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  8:33                                   ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02  8:43                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02 14:51                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 23:28                                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  5:26                                         ` Jeff Dike
2005-11-03  5:41                                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:41                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 15:23                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:33                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 19:02                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-11-01 14:50                         ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 15:24                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02  5:11                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01 18:23                       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 20:31                         ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-01 20:59                   ` Joel Schopp
2005-11-02  1:06                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  1:41                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  2:24                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  2:49                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  4:39                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  5:09                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  5:14                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  6:23                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2005-11-02 10:15                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-11-02  7:19                               ` Yasunori Goto
2005-11-02 11:48                               ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:41                           ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 11:37                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-02 15:11                       ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 15:25               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-01 15:33                 ` Dave Hansen
2005-11-01 16:57                   ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 17:00                     ` Mel Gorman
2005-11-01 18:58                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:40         ` Avi Kivity

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