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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: wesolows@foobazco.org, willy@debian.org, andrea@suse.de,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu, bcrl@kvack.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ppc64: Fix possible race with set_pte on a present PTE
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405251340160.9951@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040525133543.753fc5a5.davem@redhat.com>


On Tue, 25 May 2004, David S. Miller wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, do you understand how broken the sparc hardware is? :-)

I seem to always repress that part.

> Seriously, the issue is that the MMU writes back access/dirty bits
> asynchronously, does not do a relookup when it writes these bits back
> into the PTE (like x86 and others do) it actually stores away the PTE
> physical address and writes into the PTE using that, and finally as
> previously mentioned we lack a cmpxchg we only have raw SWAP.

Ok. Still, that doesn't sound too bad. I assume that the pte write has to 
be atomic anyway (ie it doesn't walk the page tables, but it clearly _has_ 
to do an atomic "read-modify-update" or just the _hardware_ updates might 
race against each other and one CPU loses the dirty bit when another CPU 
writes back the accessed bit).

So I really think it should be safe to just do a regular write when you 
update both bits, because you know that no other CPU will at least _clear_ 
any bits. Hmm?

So it sounds like the SWAP loop basically ends up being just something 
like

	val = pte_value(entry);
	for (;;) {
		oldval = SWAP(ptep, val);
		/*
		 * If we wrote a value that had the same or more bits set 
		 * than the old value, we're ok...
		 */
		if (!(oldval & ~val))
			break;
		/*
		 * ..otherwise we need to write the "or" of all bits and
		 * try again.
		 */
		val |= oldval;
	}

Right? Note that the reason we can do the "dirty and accessed bit both 
set" case with a simple write is exactly because that's already the 
"maximal" bits anybody can write to the thing, so we don't need to loop, 
we can just write it directly.

I realize that this isn't as simple as the x86 solution (or most
everything else, for that matter ;), but it's by no means totally
unreasonable. Or are there even _more_ gotchas that I've missed?

		Linus
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2004-05-24  5:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24  5:34           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-24  5:38             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-24  5:52               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-24  7:39           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-24  5:39             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25  3:43           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  4:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25  4:17               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25  4:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  4:40                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25  4:20               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  4:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25  4:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25  4:59                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  5:09                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  4:50                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25  4:59                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25  4:43                 ` David Mosberger
2004-05-25  4:53                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 21:56                     ` David Mosberger
2004-05-27 22:00                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-27 22:12                         ` David Mosberger
2004-05-25 11:44               ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-05-25 14:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 15:35                   ` Keith M Wesolowski
2004-05-25 16:19                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 17:25                       ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 17:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 17:54                           ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 18:05                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 20:30                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 20:35                               ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 20:49                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-05-25 20:57                                   ` David S. Miller
2004-05-26  6:20                                   ` Keith M Wesolowski
2004-05-25 21:40                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25 21:54                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 22:00                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 22:07                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25 22:14                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  0:21                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  0:50                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  3:25                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  4:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  4:12                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  4:18                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  4:50                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  4:49                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  4:28                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  4:46                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  4:54                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  4:55                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  5:41                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  5:59                                                     ` [PATCH] (signoff) " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-26  6:55                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25 22:05                                   ` [PATCH] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25 22:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 22:19                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-05-25 22:24                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 21:27                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 21:43                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 21:55                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 22:01                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 22:18                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2004-05-25 22:42                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-26  2:26                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-26  7:06                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 21:44                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-01 12:04 Martin Schwidefsky
2004-06-01 12:10 Martin Schwidefsky

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