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From: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
To: Alok Mooley <rangdi@yahoo.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:33:09 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0402041427270.2947@chaos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040204191829.57468.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com>

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Alok Mooley wrote:

> --- "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com> >
> If this is an Intel x86 machine, it is impossible
> > for pages
> > to get fragmented in the first place. The hardware
> > allows any
> > page, from anywhere in memory, to be concatenated
> > into linear
> > virtual address space. Even the kernel address space
> > is virtual.
> > The only time you need physically-adjacent pages is
> > if you
> > are doing DMA that is more than a page-length at a
> > time. The
> > kernel keeps a bunch of those pages around for just
> > that
> > purpose.
> >
> > So, if you are making a "memory defragmenter", it is
> > a CPU time-sink.
> > That's all.
>
> What if the external fragmentation increases so much
> that it is not possible to find a large sized block?
> Then, is it not better to defragment rather than swap
> or fail?
>
> -Alok

All "blocks" are the same size, i.e., PAGE_SIZE. When RAM
is tight the content of a page is written to the swap-file
according to a least-recently-used protocol. This frees
a page. Pages are allocated to a process only one page at
a time. This prevents some hog from grabbing all the memory
in the machine. Memory allocation and physical page allocation
are two different things, I can malloc() a gigabyte of RAM on
a machine. It only gets allocated when an attempt is made
to access a page.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.24 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-04 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-03  4:46 Alok Mooley
2004-02-03 21:26 ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-03 22:26   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  5:09   ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04  5:24     ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-04  5:54     ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:05       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:22         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  6:29           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  6:40             ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  7:17               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-04  8:30                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-04  6:53             ` Doubt about statm_pgd_range patch Arunkumar
2004-02-04  6:57       ` Active Memory Defragmentation: Our implementation & problems IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04  7:10         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04  7:50           ` IWAMOTO Toshihiro
2004-02-04 10:33         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2004-02-04 18:33       ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 18:46         ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 18:54           ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 19:07             ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:18               ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 19:33                 ` Richard B. Johnson [this message]
2004-02-05  5:07                   ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-05 19:03                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-04 19:35               ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-04 21:59                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-04 23:24                   ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-05 16:32                     ` Dave McCracken
2004-02-04 19:37               ` Timothy Miller
2004-02-04 19:43                 ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-04 19:59                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-04 19:56             ` Dave Hansen
2004-02-05  5:19               ` Alok Mooley
2004-02-04 20:12 Mark_H_Johnson

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