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From: Paul Jakma <paulj@itg.ie>
To: Szabolcs Szakacsits <szaka@f-secure.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Stephen Clouse <stephenc@theiqgroup.com>,
	Guest section DW <dwguest@win.tue.nl>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Patrick O'Rourke <orourke@missioncriticallinux.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:41:01 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103232026310.31380-100000@rossi.itg.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0103232124120.13864-100000@fs131-224.f-secure.com>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Szabolcs Szakacsits wrote:

> About the "use resource limits!". Yes, this is one solution. The
> *expensive* solution (admin time, worse resource utilization, etc).

traditional user limits have worse resource utilisation? think what
kind of utilisation a guaranteed allocation system would have. instead
of 128MB, you'd need maybe a GB of RAM and many many GB of swap for
most systems.

some hopefully non-ranting points:

- setting up limits on a RH system takes 1 minute by editing
/etc/security/limits.conf.

- Rik's current oom killer may not do a good job now, but it's
impossible for it to do a /perfect/ job without implementing
kernel/esp.c.

- with limits set you will have:
 - /possible/ underutilisation on some workloads.
 - chance of hitting Rik's OOM killer reduced to almost nothing.

no matter how good or bad Rik's killer is, i'd much rather set limits
and just about /never/ have it invoked.

more beancounting will make limits more useful (eg global?) and maybe
dists can start setting up some kind of limits by default at install
time based on the RAM installed and whether user selected
server/workstation/etc.. install.

Then hopefully we can be a little less concerned about how close Rik
gets to the impossible task of implementing esp.c.

>         Szaka

--paulj

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-23 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-21 22:54 Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:11 ` Eli Carter
2001-03-21 23:40   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22  8:14   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22  9:24     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:29     ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 11:47   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:04       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:10         ` Jordi Polo
2001-03-22 16:41     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 20:28     ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-22 21:01       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-22 21:23       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 22:00         ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 22:12           ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-03-22 22:52           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:27             ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:37               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-26 19:04                 ` James Antill
2001-03-26 20:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 20:09                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 22:21                   ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 22:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 19:57           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-22 22:10         ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 22:53           ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:30             ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 23:40               ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:43         ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-23 19:26         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 20:41           ` Paul Jakma [this message]
2001-03-23 21:58             ` george anzinger
2001-03-24  5:55               ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24  8:04                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-27 14:05                 ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-28  0:00                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-30  3:18                     ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-30 23:03                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 22:18             ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  2:08               ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23  1:31       ` Michael Peddemors
2002-03-23  0:33       ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:53         ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-23  1:21           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23  0:20         ` Stephen Clouse
2002-03-23  1:30           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23  1:37             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 10:48               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 14:56                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 16:43                   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  5:57                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 16:35                       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 17:26     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:32       ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 18:58         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:45           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 23:26             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-25 13:54           ` [PATCH] OOM handling Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 15:06             ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:20               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 17:08                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:44               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:47                 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 16:36                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 21:34                     ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-26 22:00                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:30         ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 20:47           ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25 21:51             ` [PATCH] non-overcommit memory, improved OOM handling, safety margin (was Re: Prevent OOM from killing init) Jonathan Morton
2001-03-27 15:23               ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-23 20:16       ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Jordi Polo
2001-03-24  0:03       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24  7:52       ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 14:53   ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-22 19:24   ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 22:20   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:31   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24  5:54     ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24  6:55       ` Juha Saarinen
2001-03-22 11:08 Heusden, Folkert van
     [not found] <4605B269DB001E4299157DD1569079D2809930@EXCHANGE03.plaza.ds.adp.com>
2001-03-22 16:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 18:32   ` Christian Bodmer
     [not found] <20010323015358Z129164-406+3041@vger.kernel.org>
2001-03-23  7:04 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 11:28   ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 14:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 17:21       ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:18         ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 20:19           ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-23 23:48         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23  9:28 Heusden, Folkert van

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