From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: Guest section DW <dwguest@win.tue.nl>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Stephen Clouse <stephenc@theiqgroup.com>,
Patrick O'Rourke <orourke@missioncriticallinux.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:37:11 -0300 (BRST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103222033220.24040-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010323002752.A5650@win.tue.nl>
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Guest section DW wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:52:09PM +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > You can do overcommit avoidance in Linux if you are bored enough to try it.
>
> Would you accept it as the default? Would Linus?
It wouldn't help. Suppose you run without overcommit and you
fill up RAM and swap to the last page.
Then you change the size of one of the windows on your desktop
and a program gets sent -SIGWINCH. In order to process this
signal, the program needs to allocate some variables on its
stack, possibly needing a new page to be allocated for its
stack ...
... and since this is something which could happen to any program
on the system, the result of non-overcommit would be getting a
random process killed (though not completely random, syslogd and
klogd would get killed more often than the others).
The only solution to not getting processes killed is to run with
enough memory and swap space, having an OOM killer which takes care
to *NOT* let any random innocent process gets killed is nothing but
a bonus, IMHO.
regards,
Rik
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Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-03-21 22:54 Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:11 ` Eli Carter
2001-03-21 23:40 ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 8:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 9:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:29 ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 11:47 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 15:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:04 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:10 ` Jordi Polo
2001-03-22 16:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 20:28 ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-22 21:01 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-22 21:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 22:00 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 22:12 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-03-22 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:27 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:37 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2001-03-26 19:04 ` James Antill
2001-03-26 20:05 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 20:09 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 22:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 22:37 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 19:57 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-22 22:10 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:30 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:43 ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-23 19:26 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 20:41 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 21:58 ` george anzinger
2001-03-24 5:55 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 8:04 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-27 14:05 ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-28 0:00 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-30 3:18 ` Scott F. Kaplan
2001-03-30 23:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 22:18 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24 2:08 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 1:31 ` Michael Peddemors
2002-03-23 0:33 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-23 1:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 0:20 ` Stephen Clouse
2002-03-23 1:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 1:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 10:48 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 14:56 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 16:43 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24 5:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 16:35 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 17:26 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 18:58 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:45 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 23:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-25 13:54 ` [PATCH] OOM handling Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 15:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:44 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 16:36 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 21:34 ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-26 22:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:30 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 20:47 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25 21:51 ` [PATCH] non-overcommit memory, improved OOM handling, safety margin (was Re: Prevent OOM from killing init) Jonathan Morton
2001-03-27 15:23 ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-23 20:16 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Jordi Polo
2001-03-24 0:03 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24 7:52 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 14:53 ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-22 19:24 ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 22:20 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:31 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24 5:54 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 6:55 ` Juha Saarinen
2001-03-22 11:08 Heusden, Folkert van
[not found] <4605B269DB001E4299157DD1569079D2809930@EXCHANGE03.plaza.ds.adp.com>
2001-03-22 16:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 18:32 ` Christian Bodmer
[not found] <20010323015358Z129164-406+3041@vger.kernel.org>
2001-03-23 7:04 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 11:28 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 14:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 17:21 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:18 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 20:19 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-23 23:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 9:28 Heusden, Folkert van
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