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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>, Ben LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Richard Jerrrell <jerrell@missioncriticallinux.com>,
	Stephen Tweedie <sct@redhat.com>,
	arjanv@redhat.com, alan@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] swap_state.c thinko
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:52:26 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0104061245320.25931-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104061932300.1374-100000@localhost.localdomain>


On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Hugh Dickins wrote:
>
> swapper_space.nrpages, that's neat, but I insist it's not right.

It's not "right", but I suspect it's actually good enough.

Also, note that when if get _really_ low on memory, the swap cache effect
should be going away: if we still have the swap cache pages in memory,
we've obviously not paged everything out yet. So the double accounting
should have a limit error of zero as we approach being truly low on
memory. And that, I suspect, is the most important thing - making sure
that we allow programs to run when they can, but at least having _some_
concept of "enough is enough".

Note that we should probably also have a small "negative" count: it might
not be a bad idea to say "we always want to have X MB free in _some_ form,
be it swap or RAM. So I don't think it would necessarily be wrong to say
something like

	free -= num_physpages >> 6;

to approximate the notion of "keep 1 percent slop" (remember, the 1% may
well be on the swap device, not actually kept as free memory).

vm_enough_memory() is a heuristic, nothing more. We want it to reflect
_some_ view of reality, but the Linux VM is _fundamentally_ based on the
notion of over-commit, and that won't change. vm_enough_memory() is only
meant to give a first-order appearance of not overcommitting wildly. It
has never been anything more than that.

		Linus

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-06 19:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-05 15:56 Ben LaHaise
2001-04-05 16:05 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-05 17:11   ` Ben LaHaise
2001-04-05 23:40     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06  0:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-06 16:31       ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-06 17:21         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-06 18:23           ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-06 18:57             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-06 19:06               ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-06 18:47           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06 18:37             ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-06 19:09               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06 18:53                 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-06 19:14                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06 19:03                   ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-06 20:03                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06 19:12               ` Richard Jerrell
2001-04-06 19:52               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-04-06 20:22                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-06 21:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-07  1:27                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-09 18:16                   ` Alan Cox
2001-04-09 18:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-04-09 20:32                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-04-09 20:54                       ` David L. Parsley
2001-04-10 21:07                       ` James Antill
2001-04-10 22:20                         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-04-06 20:48                 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-05 17:21 ` Hugh Dickins
2001-04-05 21:39   ` Richard Jerrell
2001-04-06 20:20 Bulent Abali
2001-04-06 20:33 ` Jeff Garzik

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