From: Szabolcs Szakacsits <szaka@f-secure.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:32:25 +0200 (MET DST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104182315010.20939-100000@fs131-224.f-secure.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104171648010.14442-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Szabolcs Szakacsits wrote:
> > Please don't. Or at least make it optional and not the default or user
> > controllable. Trashing is good.
> This sounds like you have no idea what thrashing is.
Sorry, your comment isn't convincing enough ;) Why do you think
"arbitrarily" (decided exclusively by the kernel itself) suspending
processes (that can be done in user space anyway) would help?
Even if you block new process creation and memory allocations (that's
also not nice since it can be done by resource limits) why you think
situation will ever get better i.e. processes release memory?
How you want to avoid "deadlocks" when running processes have
dependencies on suspended processes?
What control you plan for sysadmins who *want* to get feedback about bad
setups as soon as possible?
How you plan to explain on comp.os.linux.development.applications
that your *perfect* programs can't only be SIGKILL'd by kernel at any
time but also suspended for indefinite time from now?
Sure it would help in cases and in others it would utterly fail. Just
like the thrasing case. So as such I see it an unnecessary bloat adding
complexity and no real functionality.
Szaka
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Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-04-12 16:58 [PATCH] a simple OOM killer to save me from Netscape Slats Grobnik
2001-04-12 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-12 18:49 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-13 6:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-13 16:20 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-14 1:20 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-16 21:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-16 21:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-16 22:12 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 22:21 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 14:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 19:53 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 20:44 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 20:59 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 21:09 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-14 7:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-15 5:05 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-15 5:20 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 11:52 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-16 12:17 ` suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-17 19:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-18 21:32 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits [this message]
2001-04-18 20:38 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-18 23:25 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 22:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 10:14 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-19 13:23 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 2:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 7:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 13:37 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 12:26 ` Christoph Rohland
2001-04-19 12:30 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 9:15 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:34 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:47 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:53 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 19:10 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 14:58 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 6:10 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 19:13 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 19:47 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-04-20 12:44 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 20:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:29 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 11:50 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 13:32 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 14:30 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:21 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:25 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-21 6:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:18 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-22 10:19 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 10:58 ` limit for number of processes Uman
2001-04-19 14:03 suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Jonathan Morton
2001-04-19 18:25 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:32 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 20:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 12:14 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 12:02 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 14:48 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-21 5:49 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-21 19:16 ` Joseph A. Knapka
2001-04-21 19:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 10:08 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 16:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 17:06 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 18:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 18:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 19:41 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:33 ` Jean Francois Martinez
2001-04-22 20:21 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:36 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 19:01 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:36 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:30 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:35 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:41 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:58 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 21:26 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 22:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-23 5:55 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-23 5:59 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 20:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:08 ` James A. Sutherland
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