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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <mikeg@wen-online.de>,
	Ingo Oeser <ingo.oeser@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac10
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:12:32 -0300 (BRST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105182310580.5531-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010518235852.R8080@redhat.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Stephen C. Tweedie wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 07:44:39PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> > This is the core of why we cannot (IMHO) have a discussion
> > of whether a patch introducing new VM tunables can go in:
> > there is no clear overview of exactly what would need to be
> > tunable and how it would help.
> 
> It's worse than that.  The workload on most typical systems is not
> static.  The VM *must* be able to cope with dynamic workloads.  You
> might twiddle all the knobs on your system to make your database run
> faster, but end up in such a situation that the next time a mail flood
> arrives for sendmail, the whole box locks up because the VM can no
> longer adapt.

That's another problem, indeed ;)

Ingo, Mike, please keep this in mind when designing
tunables or deciding which test you want to run today
in order to look how the VM is performing.


Basic rule for VM: once you start swapping, you cannot
win;  All you can do is make sure no situation loses
really badly and most situations perform reasonably.

Rik
--
Virtual memory is like a game you can't win;
However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose...

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-19  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105181403280.5531-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0105181936240.583-100000@mikeg.weiden.de>
2001-05-18 18:19   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-18 18:23     ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-18 18:58       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-18 20:12         ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-18 20:24         ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 20:09       ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-18 22:44         ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-18 22:58           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19  2:12             ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2001-05-19  2:32               ` Mike Castle
2001-05-19  6:45               ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-19  4:40             ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-19 17:13             ` [RFC][PATCH] " Mike Galbraith
2001-05-19 21:41               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-20  3:29                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-20  6:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-20  8:08                     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105200546241.5531-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
2001-05-20  9:47                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0105200703270.5531-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
2001-05-21 13:36                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-20 21:54                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-21 20:32                           ` David Weinehall
2001-05-23 15:34                             ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-23 17:24                               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-05-25  8:39                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-23 17:51                             ` Scott Anderson
2001-05-25  8:10                               ` David Weinehall
2001-05-25 18:39                               ` Pavel Machek
2001-06-04 19:22                           ` RPM Installation - Compilation errors jalaja devi
2001-05-24  8:48                         ` [RFC][PATCH] Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac10 Mike Galbraith
2001-05-24  9:10                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-24 10:32                             ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-24 11:03                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-24 14:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-20 15:32                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-20 17:38                     ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-20 13:44               ` Zlatko Calusic
2001-05-20 17:58                 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-05-20 19:32                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-05-20 21:03               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-05-21  3:54                 ` Mike Galbraith

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