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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Slats Grobnik <kannzas@excite.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <andrewm@uow.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] a simple OOM killer to save me from Netscape
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 02:20:43 -0300 (BRST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104150218170.14442-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104150205210.14442-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 14 Apr 2001, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

> > That's not bad but when it starts coming to policy, the policy
> > decisions are much more safely made in user space rather than the
> > kernel.  And we just allow the kernel to completely swap-out suspended
> > processes. 
> 
> You're soooo full of crap.  Next we know you'll be proposing
> to move the scheduler and the pageout code to userspace.

To elaborate on that:

1) there already is lots of policy in the kernel (scheduler,
   page stealing code, users can nice-down-but-not-up, ...)
2) thrashing and OOM are relatively rare situations
3) I can see absolutely no reason why you would ever want
   to take a 2 kB piece of code from the kernel and put it
   in a 32 kB userland daemon (which would need another 32 kB
   of kernel overhead for task struct, pagetables, etc..)

regards,

Rik
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-04-15  5:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-12 16:58 Slats Grobnik
2001-04-12 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-12 18:49   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-13  6:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-13 16:20     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-14  1:20       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-16 21:06         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-16 21:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-16 22:12             ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 22:21             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 14:26               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 19:53                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 20:44                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 20:59                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 21:09                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-14  7:00       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-15  5:05         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-15  5:20           ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2001-04-16 11:52         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-16 12:17       ` suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-17 19:48         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-18 21:32           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 20:38             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-18 23:25               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 22:29                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 10:14                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-19 13:23                   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19  2:11                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19  7:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 13:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 12:26                       ` Christoph Rohland
2001-04-19 12:30                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19  9:15                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:34             ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:47               ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:53                 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 19:10                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 14:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21  6:10                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 19:13                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 19:47                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-04-20 12:44                       ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 20:06                     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:29                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 11:50                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 13:32                         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 14:30                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:21                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:25                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-21  6:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:18               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-22 10:19                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 10:58 ` limit for number of processes Uman

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