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From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	Derek Martin <derek@cerberus.ne.mediaone.net>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.2.17pre7 VM enhancement Re: I/O performance on 2.4.0-test2
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:06:38 -0300 (BRST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007111503520.10961-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007111955100.5098-100000@inspiron.random>

On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> >> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >> 
> >> >No. You just wrote down the strongest argument in favour of one
> >> >unified queue for all types of memory usage.
> >> 
> >> Do that and download an dozen of iso image with gigabit ethernet
> >> in background.
> >
> >You need to forget about LRU for a moment. The fact that
> >LRU is fundamentally broken doesn't mean that it has
> >anything whatsoever to do with whether we age all pages
> >fairly or whether we prefer some pages over other pages.
> >
> >If LRU is broken we need to fix that, a workaround like
> >your proposal doesn't fix anything in this case.
> 
> So tell me how with your design can I avoid the kernel to unmap anything
> while running:
> 
> 	cp /dev/zero .
> 
> forever.
> 
> Whatever aging algorithm you use if you wait enough time the
> mapped pages will be thrown away eventually.

And that is correct behaviour. The problem with LRU is that the
"eventually" is too short, but proper page aging is as close to
LFU (least _frequently_ used) as it is to LRU. In that case any
page which was used only once (or was only used a long time ago)
will be freed before a page which has been used more often
recently will be.

This effectively and efficiently protects things like X, xterm
and other things which are used over and over again, while still
swapping out things which are not used at all.

regards,

Rik
--
"What you're running that piece of shit Gnome?!?!"
       -- Miguel de Icaza, UKUUG 2000

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-07-11 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20000629114407.A3914@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006291330520.1713-100000@inspiron.random>
2000-06-29 13:00   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-06 10:35     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-06 13:29       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-09 17:11         ` Swap clustering with new VM Marcelo Tosatti
2000-07-09 20:53           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11  9:36             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-09 20:31         ` [PATCH] 2.2.17pre7 VM enhancement Re: I/O performance on 2.4.0-test2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 11:50           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-11 16:17             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 16:36               ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-07-11 17:33                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 17:45                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-11 17:54                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 18:03                       ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-07-11 19:32                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-12  0:05                           ` John Alvord
2000-07-12  0:52                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-12 18:02                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-14  8:51               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-11 17:32           ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-11 17:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 17:47               ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-11 18:00                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-07-11 18:06                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2000-07-17  7:09                     ` [PATCH] 2.2.17pre7 VM enhancement Re: I/O performance on Yannis Smaragdakis
2000-07-17  9:28                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-17 13:01                         ` James Manning
2000-07-17 14:32                           ` Scott F. Kaplan
2000-07-17 14:53                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-17 16:44                           ` Manfred Spraul
2000-07-17 17:02                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-17 18:55                           ` Yannis Smaragdakis
2000-07-17 19:57                           ` John Fremlin
2000-07-17 14:46                       ` Alan Cox
2000-07-17 14:55                         ` Scott F. Kaplan
2000-07-17 15:31                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-07-14  9:01                   ` [PATCH] 2.2.17pre7 VM enhancement Re: I/O performance on 2.4.0-test2 Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-07-11 18:13               ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-07-11 20:57                 ` Roger Larsson
2000-07-11 22:49                   ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-07-12 16:01               ` Kev
2000-07-06 13:54       ` [PATCH] 2.2.17pre7 VM enhancement Re: I/O performance on2.4.0-test2 Roman Zippel

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