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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: "Juan J. Quintela" <quintela@fi.udc.es>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Zlatko Calusic <zlatko@iskon.hr>,
	alan@redhat.com, Linux MM List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] improve streaming I/O [bug in shrink_mmap()]
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:10:08 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006140351010.12294-100000@inspiron.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0006132231500.2954-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>
>> >and we can support all corner cases of usage well without it. In
>> >fact, as I demonstrated above, even your own contorted example will
>> >hang classzone if I only switch the order in which the allocations
>> >happen...
>> 
>> It won't hang, but kswapd will eat CPU and that's right in your case. The
>> difference that you can't see is that in the second scenario where the
>> classzone would spend CPU in kswapd the CPU is spent for a purpose that
>> have a sense. In the first scenario where classzone wouldn't any spend
>> CPU, the CPU in kswapd would infact be _wasted_.
>
>Now explain to me *why* this happens. I'm pretty sure this happens
>because of the 'dispose = &old' in shrink_mmap and not because of
>anything even remotely classzone related...

You waste CPU in kswapd in the first scenario simply because you are not
looking backwards at the ZONE_DMA state at the time you have to choose if
you did some progress on the ZONE_NORMAL zone.

You did progress in the ZONE_DMA because it was all cache so then kswapd
should understand even if nothing is been freed from the ZONE_NORMAL, we
just have enough marging for the next GFP_KERNEL allocation too (not only
for the GFP_DMA allocations), thus it should stop looping. There's just
enough free memory for both zones.

The problem isn't related to shrink_mmap, but only to the zone design
(proper classzone part).

>I'm trying to improve the Linux kernel here, I'd appreciate it if
>you were honest with me.

Are you saying I'm not been honest with you? JFYI: I don't enjoy to get
insulted by you (and it's not the first time). I will ignore also your
above comment but please don't insult me anymore in the future! Thanks.

Andrea

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  reply	other threads:[~2000-06-14  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-06-12 21:46 Zlatko Calusic
2000-06-12 22:29 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-06-12 23:04   ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-13 15:08   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13 17:08     ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-13 19:09       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13 19:32         ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-13 23:07           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13 23:34             ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14  0:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-14  0:58                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14  1:18                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-14  1:33                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14  2:10                       ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2000-06-14  2:46                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14 13:01                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-14 13:44                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14 13:57                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-14 16:48                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14 17:14                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-14 17:33                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-14 18:37                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13 23:41             ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-06-14  0:21               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13 19:20     ` Rik van Riel
2000-06-13 21:49       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-13  8:10 Roger Larsson
     [not found] <8i3qe8$lltbv$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>
2000-06-14  6:17 ` Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan

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