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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: [patch] balanced highmem subsystem under pre7-9
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:46:13 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005111638260.1319-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10005120113520.10596-200000@elte.hu>


On Fri, 12 May 2000, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> IMO high memory should not be balanced. Stock pre7-9 tried to balance high
> memory once it got below the treshold (causing very bad VM behavior and
> high kswapd usage) - this is incorrect because there is nothing special
> about the highmem zone, it's more like an 'extension' of the normal zone,
> from which specific caches can turn. (patch attached)

Hmm.. I think the patch is wrong. It's much easier to make

	zone_balance_max[HIGHMEM] = 0;

and that will do the same thing, no?

> another problem is that even during a mild test the DMA zone gets emptied
> easily - but on a big RAM box kswapd has to work _alot_ to fill it up. In
> fact on an 8GB box it's completely futile to fill up the DMA zone. What
> worked for me is this zone-chainlist trick in the zone setup code:

Ok. This is a real problem. My inclination would be to say that your patch
is right, but only for large-memory configurations. Ie just say that if
the dang machine has more than half a gig of memory, we shouldn't touch
the 16 low megs at all unless explicitly asked for.

But the static thing ("never touch ZONE_DMA" when doing a normal
allocation) is obviously bogus on smaller-memory machines. So make it
conditional. 

> allocate 5% of total RAM or 16MB to the DMA zone (via fixing up zone sizes
> on bootup), whichever is smaller, in 2MB increments. Disadvantage of this
> method: eg. it wastes 2MB RAM on a 8MB box.

This may be part of the solution - make it more gradual than a complete
cut-off at some random point (eg half a gig).

After all, this is why we zoned memory in the first place, so I think it
makes sense to be much more dynamic with the zones.

		Linus

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Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-05-08 17:21 [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed Zlatko Calusic
2000-05-08 17:43 ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-08 18:16   ` Zlatko Calusic
2000-05-08 18:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-08 18:46     ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-08 18:53       ` Zlatko Calusic
2000-05-08 19:04         ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-09  7:56   ` Daniel Stone
2000-05-09  8:25     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-05-09 15:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-09 16:12         ` Simon Kirby
2000-05-09 17:42         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-05-09 19:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-10 11:25             ` Christoph Rohland
2000-05-10 11:50               ` Zlatko Calusic
2000-05-11 23:40                 ` Mark Hahn
2000-05-10  4:05         ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2000-05-10  7:29           ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2000-05-11  0:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-11  0:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-11 16:36                 ` [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed (pre7-9) Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan
2000-05-11  1:04               ` [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed Juan J. Quintela
2000-05-11  1:53                 ` Simon Kirby
2000-05-11  7:23                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-11 14:17                     ` Simon Kirby
2000-05-11 23:38                       ` Simon Kirby
2000-05-12  0:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-12  2:51                           ` [RFC][PATCH] shrink_mmap avoid list_del (Was: Re: [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed) Roger Larsson
2000-05-11 11:15                   ` [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed Rik van Riel
2000-05-11  5:10                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-11 10:09                   ` James H. Cloos Jr.
2000-05-11 17:25                   ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-05-11 23:25                   ` [patch] balanced highmem subsystem under pre7-9 Ingo Molnar
2000-05-11 23:46                     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2000-05-12  0:08                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12  0:15                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12  9:02                     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-05-12  9:56                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 11:49                         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-05-12 16:12                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-12 10:57                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-05-12 12:11                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 12:57                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-05-12 13:20                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-12 16:40                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 17:15                               ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-12 18:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-12 18:53                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 19:06                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-12 19:36                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 19:40                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 19:54                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-12 22:48                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-13 11:57                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-05-13 12:03                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-13 12:14                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-13 14:23                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-05-19  1:58                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-05-19 15:03                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-19 16:08                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-05-19 17:05                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-05-19 22:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-05-11 11:12               ` [PATCH] Recent VM fiasco - fixed Christoph Rohland
2000-05-11 17:38               ` Steve Dodd
2000-05-09 10:21     ` Rik van Riel

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