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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Kanoj Sarcar <kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@nl.linux.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: [RFC] 2.3.39 zone balancing
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 03:13:48 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001140304570.7119-100000@chiara.csoma.elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001131650520.2250-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> HOWEVER, I don't think this is going to be a huge issue in most cases. And
> if people don't need non-DMA memory, then the pages we "swapped" out are
> going to stay in RAM anyway, so it's not going to hurt us.
> 
> Anyway, I obviously do agree that I may well be wrong, and that real life
> is going to come back and bite us, and we'll end up having to not do it
> this way. However, I'd prefer trying the "conceptually simple" path first,
> and only if it turns out that yes, I was completely wrong, do we try to
> fix it up with magic heuristics etc.

hm., i think we'll see this with ISA soundcards (still the majority) if
used as modules. Right now kswapd just gives up too easy and says 'no such
page', on a box with lots of RAM and all DMA allocated in process VM
space.

Anyway, the patch and suggestion of passing in a single zone is i believe
completely wrong, because it advances mm->swap_address, which unfairly
selects a given range to be checked for only one zone. So i think it's
either zone-bitmaps (or equivalent multi-zone logic) or what you
suggested, to have no zone-awareness in swap_out() for now at all.

(i believe this is also going to bite us with the IA64 port - kswapd will
have no information to free pages from the right node, we could solve this
already with a zone bitmap, or by starting per-zone kswapds. The latter
one looks like overkill to me, but it's conceptually cleaner than bitmaps
and and does not have a limitation on the number of zones. Might not be a
highprio issue though.)

-- mingo

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-01-14  2:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-01-12 21:11 Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 13:40 ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 17:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 17:18   ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 18:37     ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 20:13       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 21:12         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 21:40         ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14 12:25           ` Jamie Lokier
2000-01-14 13:43             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 18:52   ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 19:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 21:02       ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:34         ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-01-13 21:48           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:42         ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 21:50           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 21:53             ` Alan Cox
2000-01-13 22:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-13 22:13             ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 22:28               ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-13 22:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-13 23:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-13 23:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-14  0:33                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-14  0:52                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-01-14  1:08                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-01-14  2:13                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2000-01-14  1:17                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  2:36                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14 20:33                               ` Peter Rival
2000-01-14  1:13                       ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  2:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14  2:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-01-14  6:22                           ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-15  2:03                     ` Reworked 2.3.39 zone balancing - v1 Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-14  0:28                 ` [RFC] 2.3.39 zone balancing Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 17:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-01-13 18:30   ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-01-13 19:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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