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From: Rik van Riel <H.H.vanRiel@phys.uu.nl>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@e-mind.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm+eric@ccr.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Alan Cox <number6@the-village.bc.nu>
Subject: Re: New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:10:57 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.03.9812222107211.397-100000@mirkwood.dummy.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.981222162525.8801A-100000@laser.bogus>

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On 22 Dec 1998, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> >My suggestion (again) would be to not call shrink_mmap in the swapper
> >(unless we are endangering atomic allocations).  And to never call
> >swap_out in the memory allocator (just wake up kswapd).
> 
> Ah, I just had your _same_ _exactly_ idea yesterday but there' s a
> good reason I nor proposed/tried it. The point are Real time
> tasks. kswapd is not realtime and a realtime task must be able to
> swapout a little by itself in try_to_free_pages() when there's
> nothing to free on the cache anymore.

- kswapd should make sure that there is enough on the cache
  (we should keep track of how many 1-count cache pages there
  are in the system)
- realtime tasks shouldn't go around allocating huge amounts
  of memory -- this totally ruins the realtime aspect anyway

> (and this will avoid also tasks other than kswapd to
> sleep waiting for slowww SYNC IO). 

Some tasks (really big memory hogs) are better left sleeping
for I/O because they otherwise completely overpower the rest
of the system. But that's a slightly different story :)

cheers,

Rik -- the flu hits, the flu hits, the flu hits -- MORE
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1998-12-22 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-12-01  6:55 [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes Rik van Riel
1998-12-01  8:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-01 15:28   ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-17  1:24 ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 17:09   ` New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes) Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-19 18:41     ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 19:41     ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-19 22:01       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-20  3:05         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-20 14:18         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-21 13:03           ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 13:39           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 14:08             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 16:42               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21  9:53     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-21 16:37       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 17:58         ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-21 18:59           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-12-21 19:38             ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22  7:56           ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 10:49             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-22 15:32               ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 15:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-22 16:26                   ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22 19:55                     ` Eric W. Biederman
1998-12-22 20:25                     ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 21:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
1998-12-22 20:10                   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
1998-12-22 22:35                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1998-12-23  8:45                       ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 20:03                 ` Rik van Riel
1998-12-22 17:23               ` [patch] swap_out now really free (the right) pages [Re: New patch (was Re: [PATCH] swapin readahead v3 + kswapd fixes)] Andrea Arcangeli

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