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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@e-mind.com>
To: MOLNAR Ingo <mingo@chiara.csoma.elte.hu>
Cc: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu, werner@suse.de, mlord@pobox.com,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@dm.COBALTMICRO.COM>,
	gandalf@szene.CH, adamk@3net.net.pl, kiracofe.8@osu.edu,
	ksi@ksi-linux.COM, djf-lists@ic.NET, tomh@taz.ccs.fau.edu,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses [Re: [patch] Fixed the race that was oopsing Linux-2.2.0]
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:14:37 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990129144844.886A-100000@laser.bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990129132505.22453D-100000@chiara.csoma.elte.hu>

On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, MOLNAR Ingo wrote:

> note that in 99% of the cases we need the counter only in the clone(),
> exec() and exit() path, for these three cases we know implicitly that it's
> a valid buffer. (because we hold a reference to it) [subsequently we dont
> need any atomic_inc_and_test thing either for clone+exec+exit] An atomic
> counter is just about perfect for those uses, even in the 'no kernel lock'
> case. 

Sure, if you look at my last email to Linus, you'll see that I am _only_
talking about getting the mm of a random process (not the current one!).

Probably I should comment better my patches, but I have really a big
leakage of spare time these days but I _don't_ want to decrease the kernel
hacking (even if Linus asked me to go away two times).

> I only looked at your last (fairly large) patch, which does not seem to
> have _any_ effect at all as far as bugfixes are concerned, except the
> array.c change (which again turned out to have nothing to do with the
> atomic vs. spinlock thing).

Infact, the only bugfix is array.c (as I just pointed out clearly in
bugtraq). Another reason I didn't either checked about lock_kernel() two
night ago before adding mm_lock, is that it was very late, I had a little
time and I seen some bugreport on the list that was oopsing in mmput (so I
thought "yeah, I seen the race!", I thought it was the mmput/current->mm =
&init_mm race). Then I also seen the mm->count as atomic_t so I thought it
was really the case. 

Ah note, there was overhead also in the overhead since checking for
mm->count == 0 in mmget was a nono ;).

> for 'other process' uses (for cases when we want to dereference an
> mm_struct pointer but do not hold a reference to it, eg. /proc or the VM
> scanning logic) we will have to do something smart when we remove the
> kernel lock in 2.3, but it should not increase the cost of the common case
> (clone() + exit()) if possible.

Ok this is a completly different story and I am the first that don't want
to continue it now, but I want to point out that atomic_t is __far__ to be
the only thing we'll nee to make the mm_struct browsing race free (as I
understood from Linus's word).

I am very very happy to see that I was not (completly ;) crazy.

Andrea Arcangeli

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  reply	other threads:[~1999-01-29 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96.990127123207.15486A-100000@laser.bogus>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.990127131315.19147A-100000@laser.bogus>
1999-01-27 21:38   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-27 21:45     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28  1:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28  2:50       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28  4:20         ` [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses Tom Holroyd
1999-01-28  6:23         ` Tom Holroyd
1999-01-28 15:09         ` [patch] fixed both processes in D state and the /proc/ oopses [Re: [patch] Fixed the race that was oopsing Linux-2.2.0] Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 17:54           ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 18:07             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 18:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 18:25                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1999-01-28 19:23                 ` Alan Cox
1999-01-28 19:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 20:11                     ` Alan Cox
1999-01-28 22:33               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-28 22:53                 ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-29  1:47                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29 11:20                     ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-29 12:08                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29 13:19                         ` MOLNAR Ingo
1999-01-29 14:14                           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
1999-01-29 17:46                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
1999-01-29 14:13                     ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-30 15:42                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-30 20:32                         ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-31  1:00                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-31  8:36                             ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-31 19:16                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-31 21:56                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
1999-01-29 18:24                     ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 22:04             ` Andrea Arcangeli
1999-01-29  0:17               ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 17:36         ` Linus Torvalds
1999-01-28 15:05       ` Stephen C. Tweedie

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